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NFL Replacement refs...What if?

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Jake;2217708; said:
I see/hear comments like this a lot, lately. It sounds like the suggestion is the NFL should give the "real" refs whatever the hell they want, no matter how unreasonable. That's an absurd position. It takes two sides to reach a CBA.

Whle the replacement refs have been far from perfect they are being held to a higher standard by fans and media than their predecessors. Every call is scrutinized to the level where the [censored]ing world is going to end if it isn't exactly right. That's also an absurd position.

There are far bigger issues than a bunch of well to do officials trying to squeeze even more money out of a very high paying part time job officiating football games.
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Have you been paying attention at all to the issues in the NFL/officials dispute?

It's the owners who locked out the officials. The officials had been previously guaranteed a defined pension and the NFL wants to change it to a 401(k) plan. The officials at least want to protect those current officials who were previously promised a defined pension and then the NFL can move forward with a 401(k) for any new officials. The NFL has no argument here for cost savings because they are continuing to turn in record profits. It's just a big money grab by the NFL owners, similar to what they tried to do to the Players' Association last year.

There are also some salary issues, but I think the officials are just looking for a raise commiserate with the increased value of the NFL product. I don't think it's been anything unreasonable.

The only thing that the NFL is asking for that is even remotely reasonable is an accountability provision that says an official can be removed mid-season and replaced for poor performance - which, I think, is reasonable given the amount of compensation these guys receive. However, the concern has to be that the NFL will just use the accountability provision to phase out officials who would have otherwise had a defined pension.

This is just the NFL owners doing what they did last year. Trying to bust up a union and get more of a share of the already very-profitable pie. And they're laughing at all of us complaining because they know, no matter how bad it gets with the replacements, we'll keep watching. And they're right.
 
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OH10;2220821; said:
Have you been paying attention at all to the issues in the NFL/officials dispute?

It's the owners who locked out the officials. The officials had been previously guaranteed a defined pension and the NFL wants to change it to a 401(k) plan. The officials at least want to protect those current officials who were previously promised a defined pension and then the NFL can move forward with a 401(k) for any new officials. The NFL has no argument here for cost savings because they are continuing to turn in record profits. It's just a big money grab by the NFL owners, similar to what they tried to do to the Players' Association last year.

There are also some salary issues, but I think the officials are just looking for a raise commiserate with the increased value of the NFL product. I don't think it's been anything unreasonable.

The only thing that the NFL is asking for that is even remotely reasonable is an accountability provision that says an official can be removed mid-season and replaced for poor performance - which, I think, is reasonable given the amount of compensation these guys receive. However, the concern has to be that the NFL will just use the accountability provision to phase out officials who would have otherwise had a defined pension.

This is just the NFL owners doing what they did last year. Trying to bust up a union and get more of a share of the already very-profitable pie. And they're laughing at all of us complaining because they know, no matter how bad it gets with the replacements, we'll keep watching. And they're right.
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I'm sorry, but when I hear "union busting" tossed around with regards to millionaire football players, and the attorneys, CEOs and bank presidents who collect 6 figures for officiating their games, I have a tough time taking it seriously.

This guy will be fine in his retirement, be it with a defined pension from his second job or a 401(k). He's not Norma Rae.

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Jake;2220827; said:
I'm sorry, but when I hear "union busting" tossed around with regards to millionaire football players, and the attorneys, CEOs and bank presidents who collect 6 figures for officiating their games, I have a tough time taking it seriously.

This guy will be fine in his retirement, be it with a defined pension from his second job or a 401(k). He's not Norma Rae.
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So you're talking about one guy? These officials were promised one thing, and for no reason other than greed, they're being locked out if they don't give up that one thing. It would be a different story if the NFL owners were undergoing some type of financial hardship, but this is just them trying to grab more money off of the NFL tree where money grows.

And don't give me the whole "it's their team" bull[Mark May]. Many of these owners got their teams as an inheritance. Most of the others had their stadiums built by the taxpayers. And the government gives them some anti-trust exemption so they never have to worry about competition. It's the easiest industry to make money besides oil and casinos.
 
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Jake;2220827; said:
I'm sorry, but when I hear "union busting" tossed around with regards to millionaire football players, and the attorneys, CEOs and bank presidents who collect 6 figures for officiating their games, I have a tough time taking it seriously.

This guy will be fine in his retirement, be it with a defined pension from his second job or a 401(k). He's not Norma Rae.

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So it's a fight between two sets of fat cats? Lawyers calling out lawyers? Meteor strike!

If this were a case where the owners took their own money and bought their own stadiums I'd have a different take on the issue -- no, forget that.

A contract is a contract and the question becomes, "can the lawyers hired by the owners figure out a way to beat the lawyers hired by the refs." Added to the fun is the fact that TV loves football, but TV also lives in a time driven world and having refs fuck up football AND TV schedules may cause the hand that feeds to tell the owners to spend some of that precious money the TV folks gave them.
 
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Bucknut24;2221054; said:
Joe Reedy ‏@joereedy
League spokesman says a 10-second runoff should have been applied on the Redskins injury with 1:07 remaining.

yea, fuck you refs
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Yeah - they even said there would be one and then came back and said there wouldn't. I couldn't figure out why there wouldn't be, but the Bengals radio guys didn't gripe, so I figured they were right. I forgot that the Bengals radio guys (I'm talking to you, Dave Lapham) are morons.

Then they tried to give one to the Skins later, but correctly did NOT rundown the clock....of course, in the midst of sorting out the 2nd one, they did hit Shanahan with an unsportsmanlike penalty for arguing about it and then marked off 20 yards rather than 15. :slappy:

I LOVE these refs - never a boring moment.
 
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@bubbawatson

All @nfl fans watch the Ryder Cup this week, we got no refs. #USA
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:lol:

In all seriousness, the NFL is entering dangerous territory right now. They have as much to lose as MLB had during the player strike in '94. MLB and MLS postseasons are coming up, EPL is getting traction in the US... I'm not going to begin to assert that the NFL is going to get overtaken in popularity, but their position could start to seriously erode over this.
 
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jlb1705;2221362; said:
@bubbawatson



:lol:

In all seriousness, the NFL is entering dangerous territory right now. They have as much to lose as MLB had during the player strike in '94. MLB and MLS postseasons are coming up, EPL is getting traction in the US... I'm not going to begin to assert that the NFL is going to get overtaken in popularity, but their position could start to seriously erode over this.
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TOss in the concussion issues, the rule changes that everyone seems to hate, Bountygate...the NFL has peaked, I believe, and there's only one way to go. Just ask David Stearn.
 
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