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Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux said:
Still too soon to say Bryce is a bust?
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You certainly have to wonder when CJ Stroud is making Nico Collins and Tank Dell look like superstars, and Noah Brown, who languished on the Cowboys roster for four years, pops off for 150 yards…

The truly great QBs elevate the talent around them.

And I’m a Justin Fields apologist that recognizes the fact that he’s thrown for 5000 and rushed for 1000 in his first 30 games, which puts him in rarified air with Vick, Cam, and Lamar, and he still may not be ‘it.’

But also… it’s the Bears.

Where you land organizationally is just so important. There are few situations worse than the Panthers right now. Tepper is a short tempered owner that is approaching Dan Snyder levels of incompetence.
 
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Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux said:
Still too soon to say Bryce is a bust?
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In the sense that he has been setup for failure by being overdrafted? Absolutely.

I call it the Breesy-Russ effect. Those two, mostly the former, are exceptions to the rule. Their success made GMs naively believe that physical dimensions at the QB position don't truly matter or could be negated. Well, as they're finding out, they still absolutely do matter.

Finding throwing lanes, negotiating collapsing pockets, passing off platform, having a greater drop depth that further stresses pass pro, etc etc. ALL of these things effect the offense as a whole and all are far less to be suffered by a QB that's 6'2+ and not 5'10.

Otherwise the same logic applied to other position groups just doesn't hold up. You're not going to draft a 5'11, 230lb IDL in the first round. And even more funny, Young's struggles being late over the middle against Tennessee and Texas were very evident. Those problems don't just magically go away when you reach the NFL.
 
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Buckeneye said:
In the sense that he has been setup for failure by being overdrafted? Absolutely.

I call it the Breesy-Russ effect. Those two, mostly the former, are exceptions to the rule. Their success made GMs naively believe that physical dimensions at the QB position don't truly matter or could be negated. Well, as they're finding out, they still absolutely do matter.

Finding throwing lanes, negotiating collapsing pockets, passing off platform, having a greater drop depth that further stresses pass pro, etc etc. ALL of these things effect the offense as a whole and all are far less to be suffered by a QB that's 6'2+ and not 5'10.

Otherwise the same logic applied to other position groups just doesn't hold up. You're not going to draft a 5'11, 230lb IDL in the first round. And even more funny, Young's struggles being late over the middle against Tennessee and Texas were very evident. Those problems don't just magically go away when you reach the NFL.
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He's actually more effective over the middle then the sidelines in the pros. Because unlike Kyler and the rest of the latest crop of short guys he doesn't have plus armstrength
 
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