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NFL CBA expires March 4, 2011

tsteele316;1871533; said:
technically, the players don't want an 18 game season at all. but, if there is going to be an 18 game season, they want pay increases, and a salary cap increase to reflect the extra 2 games.

They also want more guaranteed money, because their careers will be shorter.

Another big issue I didn't see on the list but was covered on the news the other night is the % of the pot that the players can dip into. The owners want a bigger % allocated to them up front (sort of like a before taxes thing out of payroll to the rest of us) because they say newer, more expensive stadiums and the like have created larger operating expenses, while revenue has plateaued. The players say the owners refuse to show them any actual number supporting this, so they will not budge on the % unless they see it in writing.
 
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Bucklion;1871547; said:
They also want more guaranteed money, because their careers will be shorter.

Another big issue I didn't see on the list but was covered on the news the other night is the % of the pot that the players can dip into. The owners want a bigger % allocated to them up front (sort of like a before taxes thing out of payroll to the rest of us) because they say newer, more expensive stadiums and the like have created larger operating expenses, while revenue has plateaued. The players say the owners refuse to show them any actual number supporting this, so they will not budge on the % unless they see it in writing.

Owners never cease to amaze me. They cry poor while holding taxpayers hostage for new stadia, then cry poor about the overhead when these new facilities were supposed to cure their "revenue problems". :shake:
 
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jlb1705;1871573; said:
Owners never cease to amaze me. They cry poor while holding taxpayers hostage for new stadia, then cry poor about the overhead when these new facilities were supposed to cure their "revenue problems". :shake:

and this is exactly why a deal will get done. neither side has the unwavering leverage they need to dig in their heels on this issue.

this is the polar opposite of the NBA, where the owners actually have all the leverage, and there will be a lockout as a lot of teams lost lots of money last year.
 
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tsteele316;1871606; said:
this is the polar opposite of the NBA, where the owners actually have all the leverage, and there will be a lockout as a lot of teams lost lots of money last year.

THIS.

I'm actually quite excited to see the NBA labor situation heat up. What happens when you have a standoff of billionaires from non-sports industries against millionaires who have no marketable skills in any industry outside of basketball and clubbing? :evil:
 
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jlb1705;1871616; said:
THIS.

I'm actually quite excited to see the NBA labor situation heat up. What happens when you have a standoff of billionaires from non-sports industries against millionaires who have no marketable skills in any industry outside of basketball and clubbing? :evil:

I actually am encouraged by the thought of an NBA lockout. I wish it would happen tomorrow and last for 3 years.

Less talented kids leaving college and would improve NCAA hoops for awhile.
 
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JCOSU86;1871574; said:
Will the owners of the golden goose somehow, someway manage to kill it?

It's looking like a "yes"!

:shake:

You sound like me my first CBA negotiations. We were so far apart I never thought we'd get a deal. We did, and they'll agree at some point.

Neither side wins if they kill the NFL, but I do think it's going to take awhile for them to come together. There aren't any games that count until September. There is no reason for either to compromise right now.
 
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Bucklion;1872071; said:
It was a 50:50 proposal...the players must have known they were going to get nowhere with that...

Of course they knew. The players would be content to keep it as it has been the last few years, roughly 60/40, but they can't open with position. They need room to negotiate and the owners' response was predictable as they have no reason to move at this point, either.

This is going to take awhile. They've got 6 months to fight about it without either side losing a thing.
 
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Bucklion;1872071; said:
It was a 50:50 proposal...the players must have known they were going to get nowhere with that...

maybe they just wanted a long weekend off....

It's all going to center around when or if the owners are going to open up their books to "prove" the financial hardships they are having.

There's no way that's going to happen, not immediately at least.

this all leads me to believe that any type of lockout is going to last until at least my birthday (August 9th) or later.

the golden goose's neck is currently stretched on the block and the NFL and the NFLPA are both taking turns sharpening the axe....
 
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-to-know-right-now-about-the-labor-situation/

Ten things to know, right now, about the labor situation

Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2011, 3:24 PM EST
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Last month, we slapped together a snapshot of 10 things to know, as of the day on last month when we slapped it together, about the labor situation.
Much has happened since January 12, so it?s time to look as 10 things to know right now, now that we?ve slapped together 10 things to know.
And, yes, there?s some repetition. But most of it is new. And all of it is stuff that you need to know right now.
Starting . . . . now.

1. A lockout is virtually certain at this point.
Last time around, we explained that a lockout would happen long before September. It?s now clear, given the comments of NFL lawyer Bob Batterman and subsequent remarks from Commissioner Roger Goodell, that a lockout will begin on March 4.
Goodell says that 490 players due to become free agents on March 4 won?t become free agents absent a new deal. Though Goodell has been reluctant to admit that free agents won?t become free agents only if the league implements a lockout, the message is clear.
Without an agreement, a lockout is coming on March 4.
There?s another reason to expect a lockout. ESPN?s Chris Mortensen pointed out during a Friday appearance on Mike & Mike in the Morning that the league wants, as we?ve surmised, to escape the jurisdiction of Judge David Doty. It will happen if the current agreement expires. And if the current agreement expires, the league will implement a lockout, pending the negotiation of a new deal that wouldn?t fall under Doty?s umbrella if it?s finalized after the current agreement expires.
Of course, the union could agree before the current deal expires to an extension that would fall beyond Doty?s jurisdiction, but at this point we can?t imagine either side agreeing to anything without getting something in return.
2. The union still has the ability to try to block a lockout.
During the 2010 regular season, the NFLPA embarked on a series of meetings with players from every team. Systematically, the union obtained advance approval to decertify in the face of a lockout.
Derided by the NFL as a decision to ?go out of business,? decertification would prevent the league from locking out the players by converting the NFLPA from a legally-recognized union into a collection of individual, non-union workers. Some think that the NFL would challenge the maneuver as a sham, but such an approach would entail P.R. risks, since the NFL would be using litigation in order to force a lockout on the players. Given that the NFL has repeatedly criticized the union for using litigation in place of negotiation, it would be a challenging exercise in double-talk for the league to resort to litigation against the union.
It remains to be seen whether the union will decertify. If the union fails to decertify, it will prove that the effort was a ruse aimed only at making the NFL think that decertification could occur.
If decertfication happens, the league then would be compelled to craft across-the-board rules regarding free agency, the draft, and player salaries. The union would likely respond by filing an antitrust lawsuit, arguing that the league consists of 32 separate businesses that cannot work together to place common limits on its workers. (This is why the American Needle case was viewed as being critical to the labor situation, even though the facts center on marketing deals. If the league had secured a ruling from the Supreme Court that it is one business, an antitrust claim based on labor rules may have been doomed from the start.)
We?ve heard that the union possibly won?t decertify because the union is concerned that the rules implemented by the league for a non-union work force would have a much better shot at withstanding an antritrust lawsuit than the rules employed after the failed strike of 1987. If the union decertifies, files an antitrust lawsuit, and then loses the case, the players will be in a much worse position than they are right now.
cont...
 
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I'm a little surprised to see the owners go this route at this time. Without getting too political, the current NLRB leans pro-union so the owners might want to be careful what they ask for in this case.

Either way, it's obviously not a good sign.

NFL files NLRB complaint vs. union
 
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They should've done this from the start. We always use a mediator. It just makes the process smoother and keeps people on track when emotions start derailing it. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll agree any sooner, though.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, players' union executive director DeMaurice Smith and their bargaining teams arrived at the Washington office of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service shortly before 11 a.m. It was not known how long the meeting would last. Goodell and Smith declined comment on their way into the meeting with George H. Cohen, the director of the FMCS, an independent U.S. government agency.

Cohen was involved in Major League Soccer's negotiations with its players' union last year, when a possible work stoppage was avoided. Cohen also has worked with the players' associations for Major League Baseball, helping end the 1994-95 strike as a consulting attorney, and the NBA, and was an advisor to the NHL players' union before joining the FMCS.

Sounds like Cohen is the right man for the job. We'll see...

NFL, union hold 1st session with federal mediator
 
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I got to hear Cohen speak at a conference I attended in January. It was clear from the beginning of his talk that the guy is absolutely brilliant. He has a wry sense of humor and an interesting way of adopting integrative perspectives on a whole range of topics. He was asked about the NFL-NFLPA negotiations, but would not tip his hand. He did turn to some building trades reps in the audience (both employer and union reps) and asked them something to the effect, "If you guys had 8.9 billion at your disposal, do you think you could figure a way to divide it?"
 
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