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NFL CBA expires March 4, 2011

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Jake

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    • Hopefully last night's game will be the last one for 7 months, and no longer. The labor contract expires in less than a month, and there appear to be distinct differences to work out - the sharing of revenue and an 18 game schedule come to mind. The players also want expanded health benefits beyond 5 years post retirement.

    Having negotiated labor contracts (albeit with a lot less money at stake) I know things can pick up quickly as the deadline approaches and the parties get serious about it. Until then, lots of posturing takes place.

    Also, no player movement can occur until a new deal is done.

    Goodell sounds optimistic.

    We'll see.
     
    Jake;1870641; said:
    Hopefully last night's game will be the last one for 7 months, and no longer. The labor contract expires in less than a month, and there appear to be distinct differences to work out - the sharing of revenue and an 18 game schedule come to mind. The players also want expanded health benefits beyond 5 years post retirement.

    Having negotiated labor contracts (albeit with a lot less money at stake) I know things can pick up quickly as the deadline approaches and the parties get serious about it. Until then, lots of posturing takes place.

    Also, no player movement can occur until a new deal is done.

    Goodell sounds optimistic.

    We'll see.
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    I wouldn't count on anything moving until training camp gets close. I hope both sides are smart enough to know they have a good thing going and a work stoppage is the worst thing that could happen. Once they stand to start losing money is when things usually get fixed. If I were the owners the biggest change I would fight for would be a rookie salary structure to eliminate holdouts and push more money to the vets that have proven something.
     
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    I'd love to see a deal done before the deadline but I suspect you'll be right. The lockout will probably occur, then both sides will dig in and bitch about each other for months before getting serious in the summer.
     
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    exhawg;1870645; said:
    I wouldn't count on anything moving until training camp gets close. I hope both sides are smart enough to know they have a good thing going and a work stoppage is the worst thing that could happen. Once they stand to start losing money is when things usually get fixed. If I were the owners the biggest change I would fight for would be a rookie salary structure to eliminate holdouts and push more money to the vets that have proven something.
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    it won't drag on that long. there are too many guys that are UFA's that won't want to waste an entire FA period, only to return to their old teams at their previous salaries (which is the speculated result should there be no CBA through the FA period). Plus, there will be owners looking to cut or dump overpaid guys.

    the real posturing, and bellyaching will go on from now through March 4. Then the two sides will actually sit down and start working something out and get it done before the draft. remember, owners want that rookie pay scale in something awful.
     
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    tsteele316;1870985; said:
    the real posturing, and bellyaching will go on from now through March 4. Then the two sides will actually sit down and start working something out and get it done before the draft. remember, owners want that rookie pay scale in something awful.
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    And I hope they get it. Being shitty, then drafting high, then having a bust sets a football team back years.
     
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    JCOSU86;1871293; said:
    And I hope they get it. Being shitty, then drafting high, then having a bust sets a football team back years.
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    I suspect the union has no problem with it either - the vets have to hate seeing rookies get that kind of dough - but they'll smartly hold out on it to leverage something else.
     
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    tsteele316;1870985; said:
    it won't drag on that long. there are too many guys that are UFA's that won't want to waste an entire FA period, only to return to their old teams at their previous salaries (which is the speculated result should there be no CBA through the FA period). Plus, there will be owners looking to cut or dump overpaid guys.

    the real posturing, and bellyaching will go on from now through March 4. Then the two sides will actually sit down and start working something out and get it done before the draft. remember, owners want that rookie pay scale in something awful.
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    JCOSU86;1871293; said:
    And I hope they get it. Being shitty, then drafting high, then having a bust sets a football team back years.
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    To me it seems like a rookie pay scale should be the closest thing to a slam dunk in this whole thing. Less money for rookies will mean more money for veterans.
     
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    tsteele316;1870985; said:
    the real posturing, and bellyaching will go on from now through March 4. Then the two sides will actually sit down and start working something out and get it done before the draft. remember, owners want that rookie pay scale in something awful.
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    The owners don't need a rookie pay scale before the draft. They need it before signing rookies to contracts. It's not unusual for that process to linger into August in normal years, so that won't create a rush in March.

    They'll secure rookies' rights in the draft. They'll worry about signing them after a new CBA is in place.
     
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    I personally think that a deal will get done sooner rather than later. There's just too much money to be made to not play for a year. It's a billion dollar company. Both sides need to stop acting like a bunch of babies and make a deal.
     
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    Jake;1871414; said:
    The owners don't need a rookie pay scale before the draft. They need it before signing rookies to contracts. It's not unusual for that process to linger into August in normal years, so that won't create a rush in March.

    They'll secure rookies' rights in the draft. They'll worry about signing them after a new CBA is in place.
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    and if it linger into august, there will be no free agency, which the players will never go for. so, like i said, it will get done sooner rather than later.
     
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    tsteele316;1871418; said:
    and if it linger into august, there will be no free agency, which the players will never go for. so, like i said, it will get done sooner rather than later.
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    I hope you're right, but the majority of the players are not free agents at any given moment, so don't be surprised if that's not the issue that trumps all.

    The players want longer post-retirement health coverage (currently 5 years for vested players) and the guys at the table are closing in on retirement. Never underestimate who is sitting at the table - I've seen that every time I've done a labor contract. They represent the group but personal motivations definitely come into play.

    The window is between now and March 4th. If the contract expires, some players won't mind missing OTAs and mini camps one bit and will gladly hold out until summer before making a deal.
     
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    What are the key issues for each side? Am I leaving anything out from my list below?


    Players want:
    Larger roster size
    2nd bye week (if league expands to 18 games)
    Reduced off season workouts
    Improved health care benefits for ex players

    Owners want:
    18 game schedule
    Rookie Salary cap
    Limited increase of salary cap


    What am I leaving out?
     
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    BigWoof31;1871510; said:
    What are the key issues for each side? Am I leaving anything out from my list below?


    Players want:
    Larger roster size
    2nd bye week (if league expands to 18 games)
    Reduced off season workouts
    Improved health care benefits for ex players
    More Money
    Owners want:
    18 game schedule
    Rookie Salary cap
    Limited increase of salary cap
    More Money

    What am I leaving out?
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    Fixed
     
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    Personally, just wake me up when it's settled. I follow sports for the competition on the field of play, not the contract negotiations.

    I couldn't care less about what both sides are arguing about, and trying to use the media to sway public opinion toward their side of the bargaining table. I don't think they'll miss any regular season games, but if they're stupid enough to ruin their gravy train, they all deserve what they'll lose.

    Owners all worth hundreds of millions, if not billions; and a bunch of athletes making a minimum of well into 6 figures during this economy. Yeah, I know most of them only play for a handful of years. All the reason more not to lose a season.

    Come to an agreement, and I don't give a rat's ass about the details.
     
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    BigWoof31;1871510; said:
    What are the key issues for each side? Am I leaving anything out from my list below?


    Players want:
    Larger roster size
    2nd bye week (if league expands to 18 games)
    Reduced off season workouts
    Improved health care benefits for ex players

    Owners want:
    18 game schedule
    Rookie Salary cap
    Limited increase of salary cap


    What am I leaving out?
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    technically, the players don't want an 18 game season at all. but, if there is going to be an 18 game season, they want pay increases, and a salary cap increase to reflect the extra 2 games.
     
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