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New D1 Subdivision--the Beginning of the Split?

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Who are the schools from the B1G that try/have any kind of history of success? (probably needs to be defined as spending on NIL, coaches and facilities)

Tier 1
OSU
tsun
USC
Oregon

Tier 2
UCLA
Penn State
Sparty

Tier 3
Nebraska
Wisky?
Iowa?

Do the same for the SEC

Tier 1
Bama
UGA
LSU
Texas
OU

Tier 2
ATM
Tenn
UF


Tier 3
Auburn
Ole Miss?
Mizzou?

Who else?
Notre Dame
FSU
Clemson
Miami

It's hard to come up with 30-32 which is what you'd need for two conferences with divisions format like pro sports leagues do it.

Who am I missing? Not just insane SEC teams like Kentucky that think they belong but legit teams that spend money on head coaches, staffs, recruiting, NIL and facilities. The serious players.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Who are the schools from the B1G that try/have any kind of history of success? (probably needs to be defined as spending on NIL, coaches and facilities)

Tier 1
OSU
tsun
USC
Oregon

Tier 2
UCLA
Penn State
Sparty

Tier 3
Nebraska
Wisky?
Iowa?

Do the same for the SEC

Tier 1
Bama
UGA
LSU
Texas
OU

Tier 2
ATM
Tenn
UF


Tier 3
Auburn
Ole Miss?
Mizzou?

Who else?
Notre Dame
FSU
Clemson
Miami

It's hard to come up with 30-32 which is what you'd need for two conferences with divisions format like pro sports leagues do it.

Who am I missing? Not just insane SEC teams like Kentucky that think they belong but legit teams that spend money on head coaches, staffs, recruiting, NIL and facilities. The serious players.
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Depends on if we are talking football only or including basketball. Football I can only think Washington as what you are missing.

Maybe Iowa St in the lower teir

Basketball
UNC
Duke
Kansas
Zona

Probably quite a few others
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Who are the schools from the B1G that try/have any kind of history of success? (probably needs to be defined as spending on NIL, coaches and facilities)

Tier 1
OSU
tsun
USC
Oregon

Tier 2
UCLA
Penn State
Sparty

Tier 3
Nebraska
Wisky?
Iowa?

Do the same for the SEC

Tier 1
Bama
UGA
LSU
Texas
OU

Tier 2
ATM
Tenn
UF


Tier 3
Auburn
Ole Miss?
Mizzou?

Who else?
Notre Dame
FSU
Clemson
Miami

It's hard to come up with 30-32 which is what you'd need for two conferences with divisions format like pro sports leagues do it.

Who am I missing? Not just insane SEC teams like Kentucky that think they belong but legit teams that spend money on head coaches, staffs, recruiting, NIL and facilities. The serious players.
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I’d add Washington in Tier 3.
 
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baremu527 said:
The national champion would definitely have 2-3 loses, most years. Undefeated regular seasons would be a thing of the past. Good thing we are transitioning to a 12 team playoff though.

I feel you but people would just get used to the new normal in 5 yrs of this. We’d still have a standard of beating TSUN and winning the conference. You’d just see a lot of good football week in and out, and every week will really matter, win or lose. Yes, it’s fun to beat the Bowling Green’ and Tulane’s into oblivion, but times have changed. This is the new world of college football.
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So it would be the minor league
 
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baremu527 said:
The national champion would definitely have 2-3 loses, most years. Undefeated regular seasons would be a thing of the past. Good thing we are transitioning to a 12 team playoff though.

I feel you but people would just get used to the new normal in 5 yrs of this. We’d still have a standard of beating TSUN and winning the conference. You’d just see a lot of good football week in and out, and every week will really matter, win or lose. Yes, it’s fun to beat the Bowling Green’ and Tulane’s into oblivion, but times have changed. This is the new world of college football.
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What I was saying, not well, is that this new minor league would fade away and not bring in the cash it does now. If the USFL & XFL can't bring in fans when the NFL is not playing, then why would a bunch of "college" athletes aka minor league players bring in fans and their money under this new system?
 
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LovelandBuckeye said:
Those fanbases are not used to 3, 4, 5 loss seasons every year. This would be terrible for CFB.

Edit: on paper a schedule like this for, we will say, Ohio State sounds great.

Auburn
@ Oregon
@ Penn State
USC
Michigan State
@ LSU
Nebraska
Wisconsin
@ UCLA
@ Iowa
tCun

What is a realistic W-L on this schedule every year?
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11-0.
 
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LovelandBuckeye said:
What I was saying, not well, is that this new minor league would fade away and not bring in the cash it does now. If the USFL & XFL can't bring in fans when the NFL is not playing, then why would a bunch of "college" athletes aka minor league players bring in fans and their money under this new system?
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These are schools with built in fan bases and profitable AD infrastructures for reasons outside of football. The brand recognition country wide is incredibly strong hence all the money in CFB. USFL and XFL did not have this. I think plenty of people would watch and be invested, including all of us here lol. While many of us don’t like the transition from “student-athlete” to “semi-professional” it’s not going to stop our fandom especially if the on field product is just as good or better.
 
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baremu527 said:
These are schools with built in fan bases and profitable AD infrastructures for reasons outside of football. The brand recognition country wide is incredibly strong hence all the money in CFB. USFL and XFL did not have this. I think plenty of people would watch and be invested, including all of us here lol. While many of us don’t like the transition from “student-athlete” to “semi-professional” it’s not going to stop our fandom especially if the on field product is just as good or better.
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I disagree, but we will probably find out soon enough. Nobody gives a hoot about minor league anything. Now, if CFB turns into a bunch of teams like the Savanah Bananas then I might be wrong.
 
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I think that the possibility of this is much more remote than others here. The first challenge is support within the academic project and structures. Already, there is resentment in universities when money and attention are taken from the academic project and "thrown" toward sports. From experience, Ohio State is no different. I found only one professor who really shared my enthusiasm for Ohio State athletics. It seemed to me as if most professors were indifferent and a few rather dismissive. That's pretty easy to understand when one considers the comparative attention in Columbus for winning a Nobel Prize versus a win or loss in The Game.

Ohio State makes football work financially and it supports a lot of other athletic endeavours. Only a handful of national universities can say that. Usually, if anything is profitable, it is football, but profits are small. A key lesson about universities is: the smaller the dollar amount, the bigger the fights.

This brings up the second challenge, the political environment in universities. Universities are characterized by diverse and extreme political forces. The minute that you have something making money, there will be forces inside the University lining up to "get their share". Gender issues, saving the whales, obscure issues (that may in future be big issues), compete for attention and money. Concerning gender issues, the profitability of football and, to a lesser extent, basketball, allows Ohio State to generously support a wide variety of men's and women's sports. I guarantee you that someone somewhere is asking the University to close the golf courses because of water use.

So, who wants to be the president of the University when some special interest group begins demonstrations across campus because minor sport X has been discontinued? Even if a proposal such as is being considered in this thread gained traction, I can't believe that the political environment inside universities would be supportive of the notion of licensing the University name and dealing with the fallout from political structures fighting for their share of the money.

Finally, the day that Ohio State football isn't really Ohio State kids, even my interest would be diminished. Given all of this, even if I think the money today is killing college football, I would be surprised if this alternative would have the legs to become a real thing and, even if it did, more surprised that it would not fail.
 
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Steve19 said:
I think that the possibility of this is much more remote than others here. The first challenge is support within the academic project and structures. Already, there is resentment in universities when money and attention are taken from the academic project and "thrown" toward sports. From experience, Ohio State is no different. I found only one professor who really shared my enthusiasm for Ohio State athletics. It seemed to me as if most professors were indifferent and a few rather dismissive. That's pretty easy to understand when one considers the comparative attention in Columbus for winning a Nobel Prize versus a win or loss in The Game.

Ohio State makes football work financially and it supports a lot of other athletic endeavours. Only a handful of national universities can say that. Usually, if anything is profitable, it is football, but profits are small. A key lesson about universities is: the smaller the dollar amount, the bigger the fights.

This brings up the second challenge, the political environment in universities. Universities are characterized by diverse and extreme political forces. The minute that you have something making money, there will be forces inside the University lining up to "get their share". Gender issues, saving the whales, obscure issues (that may in future be big issues), compete for attention and money. Concerning gender issues, the profitability of football and, to a lesser extent, basketball, allows Ohio State to generously support a wide variety of men's and women's sports. I guarantee you that someone somewhere is asking the University to close the golf courses because of water use.

So, who wants to be the president of the University when some special interest group begins demonstrations across campus because minor sport X has been discontinued? Even if a proposal such as is being considered in this thread gained traction, I can't believe that the political environment inside universities would be supportive of the notion of licensing the University name and dealing with the fallout from political structures fighting for their share of the money.

Finally, the day that Ohio State football isn't really Ohio State kids, even my interest would be diminished. Given all of this, even if I think the money today is killing college football, I would be surprised if this alternative would have the legs to become a real thing and, even if it did, more surprised that it would not fail.
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Good points. Admittedly, I'm not savvy on all the ins and outs of Title IX but my initial interpretation of the language in the article is the proposal would insulate some of the non-revenue generating sports. That said, the current model disproportionately benefits most organizations and institutions over the student athlete. Maybe that's fine, maybe it isn't, but there seems to be a lot of momentum and trajectory toward upending it. This has me wondering what other possible futures are there? The NFL isn't going to suspend the 3 year rule when they're getting a farm system at no cost or risk to themselves.
 
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Steve19 said:
I think that the possibility of this is much more remote than others here. The first challenge is support within the academic project and structures. Already, there is resentment in universities when money and attention are taken from the academic project and "thrown" toward sports. From experience, Ohio State is no different. I found only one professor who really shared my enthusiasm for Ohio State athletics. It seemed to me as if most professors were indifferent and a few rather dismissive. That's pretty easy to understand when one considers the comparative attention in Columbus for winning a Nobel Prize versus a win or loss in The Game.

Ohio State makes football work financially and it supports a lot of other athletic endeavours. Only a handful of national universities can say that. Usually, if anything is profitable, it is football, but profits are small. A key lesson about universities is: the smaller the dollar amount, the bigger the fights.

This brings up the second challenge, the political environment in universities. Universities are characterized by diverse and extreme political forces. The minute that you have something making money, there will be forces inside the University lining up to "get their share". Gender issues, saving the whales, obscure issues (that may in future be big issues), compete for attention and money. Concerning gender issues, the profitability of football and, to a lesser extent, basketball, allows Ohio State to generously support a wide variety of men's and women's sports. I guarantee you that someone somewhere is asking the University to close the golf courses because of water use.

So, who wants to be the president of the University when some special interest group begins demonstrations across campus because minor sport X has been discontinued? Even if a proposal such as is being considered in this thread gained traction, I can't believe that the political environment inside universities would be supportive of the notion of licensing the University name and dealing with the fallout from political structures fighting for their share of the money.

Finally, the day that Ohio State football isn't really Ohio State kids, even my interest would be diminished. Given all of this, even if I think the money today is killing college football, I would be surprised if this alternative would have the legs to become a real thing and, even if it did, more surprised that it would not fail.
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I've never understood what the difference is between preparing a kid for a profession in an office vs a profession on the field. To me, they would still be Ohio State kids. But yeah, good luck selling that to the academic types.
 
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