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Nebraska-TSUN comparison

SloopyHangOn;1754462; said:
In the end, Michigan has BEEN there and Nebraska hasn't. That's all I'm saying.
You know, I'm excited about Nebraska's move to the Big Ten, I really am. I just told my wife the other day, I find myself suddenly MUCH more interested in following OSU this fall, and to a bit lesser extent, the rest of the Big Ten too. Its a great conference, and I think its a great move for Nebraska, especially since I think the Big XII's days are numbered. But, its not some special, hallowed thing that's not comparable to other big-time Division 1A college football around the country. Nebraska certainly has BEEN there, in terms of playing at elite levels, winning against elite teams and taking home National Championships even more than Michigan has - since WWII at least. Just because we've been playing in a different conference doesn't validate the argument that we "haven't BEEN there" in terms of competitive comparisons. You don't win NC's by playing within your conference. You win NC's by beating the best in the country from other conferences, after running your own. And Nebraska's proven its ability there - 5 times in the last 40 years (and played for even more.) So sorry, but I call total [censored] on that argument.
 
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JBaney45;1754473; said:
This is rather arguable, Nebraska was 84-44 and Michigan was 81-43 and come on man..you were in the Big 12 north..I mean come on.


Sorry but I can't resist:
Hey, he was the one who tried to make the claim that "if you removed the RichRod years" then we weren't any better. I didn't ask to remove the Callahan years, did I?

Oh, and I won't stoop to your level of posting douchebag youtube videos about OSU fans - even though they're out there, trust me.
 
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I don't know... seems to me Nebraska and TSUN are both "top tier" schools when it comes to historical analysis and drawing conclusions based on some range of years. I don't know if TSUN or Nebby is the "better" power. Frankly, I don't think that question really has an answer.
 
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DallasHusker;1754474; said:
You know, I'm excited about Nebraska's move to the Big Ten, I really am. I just told my wife the other day, I find myself suddenly MUCH more interested in following OSU this fall, and to a bit lesser extent, the rest of the Big Ten too. Its a great conference, and I think its a great move for Nebraska, especially since I think the Big XII's days are numbered. But, its not some special, hallowed thing that's not comparable to other big-time Division 1A college football around the country. Nebraska certainly has BEEN there, in terms of playing at elite levels, winning against elite teams and taking home National Championships even more than Michigan has - since WWII at least. Just because we've been playing in a different conference doesn't validate the argument that we "haven't BEEN there" in terms of competitive comparisons. You don't win NC's by playing within your conference. You win NC's by beating the best in the country from other conferences, after running your own. And Nebraska's proven its ability there - 5 times in the last 40 years (and played for even more.) So sorry, but I call total [censored] on that argument.

Well, if you add things to my statement that were never said, then sure it's a total bullshit argument.

I agree 100% that Nebraska is a team familiar with playing at elite levels, winning against elite teams and taking home National Championships. I really do, and as you suggested I do in an earlier post, I challenge you to go find where I've said otherwise. In terms of competitive comparisons I've been in the same mindset as you've presented. I even share the same sentiments for Nebraska as you have shared for tOSU. This season I'll be tuning in to a few more BigXII games than I have in years past.

All that was said is that Nebraska has never done that in the BigTen. They just haven't. There's no argument you can make that will say otherwise. The fact that Nebraska has been playing in a different conference DOES validate the argument that they haven't BEEN there, in the BigTen. That is ALL I am saying. If you're looking for someone to validate your opinion by reiterating word for word that Nebraska is worthy of comparisons and is therefore immune to any thoughts that things might be different within the confines of the BigTen you've got the wrong guy, because I just don't believe that to be true.

I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm more certain I'm going to see than I am that I won't.

I'm still unsure what it is that you're trying to convince me of.
 
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DallasHusker;1754480; said:
Hey, he was the one who tried to make the claim that "if you removed the RichRod years" then we weren't any better. I didn't ask to remove the Callahan years, did I?

Oh, and I won't stoop to your level of posting douchebag youtube videos about OSU fans - even though they're out there, trust me.

Well you can still add the RichRod years. It doesn't change the fct Nebraska hasn't won a conf title since 1999, only 1 BCS bowl appearance, and no BCS bowl wins.

Michigan has 3 Conference titles since 2000, 4 BCS bowl appearances, and a BCS bowl victory.

Again, there really isn't much difference.

I'm glad Nebraska is in the big 10. Great fans, tradition, and institution. Plus they play "big ten" football. It will be interesting to follow in the next few years.
 
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DallasHusker;1754398; said:
Yes, there was a wider context - conference realignment. As you point out, this thread has been split off and the context HERE is "Nebraska-TSUN comparison" just read the title. To post HERE that "it has nothing to do with Nebraska" when the context HERE is "Nebraska-TSUN comparison" is laughable, to be charitable about it.

I'll post it one more time. Nebraska has a better win loss record then TSUN, whether you're talking the last 10 years (including the Callahan debacle at Nebraska), 20 years, 25 years, 30 years, 40 years, 50 years and 60 years. You have to go back to prior to World War II before Michigan pulls slightly ahead. Additionally, although Muck says it is meaningless, Nebraska has 5 National Championships in the last 40 years to Michigan's 1. Therefore, to say that its more likely that Michigan will be one of the Top 2 in the Big Ten in the next few years than Nebraska, is sheer and utter foolishness - ESPECIALLY since they're in the middle of their RichRod debacle at present. The past is a pretty good predictor of the future, and the past 60 years speak for themselves.

Husker, I don't disagree with you on the history of your program, or it's excellence. However, as was pointed out in the conference expansion thread. Nebraska football today is completely different from 10 years ago, due to several factors, but primarily due to the changes instituted by Callahan - elimination of the walk on program, and dumping the option as the primary offensive scheme. Pelini has you guys back on track, but for all intents and purposes, you are running a more traditional offense, and the things that really made your program unique in the eyes of recruits, at least offensively, are no more. Compound this with the supposition that Texas will be a lesser source of recruiting in the future, and you will be competing for more recruits from Ohio, Illinois, and Pennsylvania, with teams from those areas, and you can see why we might withhold judgment that Nebraska will emerge as no lower than the #2 team in the league for the forseeable future. scUM sucks a bag of dicks right now, but they have a long, long tradition and an established recruiting network within the league that will still be in place once dickrod is sent packing. Also, don't forget that Nebraska's presence in the league will enhance the conference as a whole, and will actually benefit scUM when it comes to out of state recruiting, since they can now say to recruits, "come to Michigan and you can play Nebraska, Ohio State and Penn State every year"

In short, the stats are just not a good indicator of how teams will perform in the future, with such fundamental changes going on in the college football world.

I say this to you, but I also direct it to those who think Michigan will automatically be the #2 program. At this point, we won't know anything until we start seeing the games being played, and probably even then, we will not know the conference heirarchy until about 5 or 10 years down the road.
 
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Nicknam4;1754599; said:
I've always loved that play but hated how they just quit at the end and got pushed out of bounds. Michigan could have scored a touchdown on that play.

They also could have been penalized for 200 people on the field. :biggrin: By the way, not sure what perspective that was but thanks for that memory.
 
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DallasHusker;1754480; said:
Hey, he was the one who tried to make the claim that "if you removed the RichRod years" then we weren't any better. I didn't ask to remove the Callahan years, did I?

Oh, and I won't stoop to your level of posting douchebag youtube videos about OSU fans - even though they're out there, trust me.

That video entertains me in no way that is detrimental to my view of your fanbase



Huskerrat;1754548; said:
with zero losses to Applachian State(sorry couldn't resist).

You're getting the hang of this Big Ten thing :p

But yea Zwem said it, Michigan has had some bowl and conference success that's pretty good.

At the end of the day I look at Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State and even those dicks in Happy Valley as more or less the same in terms of their programs. Obviously when a new team enters the mix they are going to have to prove themselves amongst their new competitors, which is the only point I think people are trying to make. We have 4 programs now in the Big Ten that are in the top 10 all time in winning percentage (and we could have 5 if Notre Dame weren't such dickheads). No other conference has more then 2
 
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Huskerrat;1754619; said:
They also could have been penalized for 200 people on the field. :biggrin: By the way, not sure what perspective that was but thanks for that memory.

Nebraska had more guys on the field L

Stupid ass Tyler Ecker just had to give up the ball to Breaston and it would have been an easy score, what a fucking idiot that kid is.
 
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Woody1968;1754579; said:
At this point, we won't know anything until we start seeing the games being played, and probably even then, we will not know the conference heirarchy until about 5 or 10 years down the road.
Do you seriously think one can't get a pretty good idea of what the future conference hierarchy will be by looking at past results? Indiana's as likely as OSU to be at the top of the conference in ten years? Historical trends aren't fool proof, but they're usually pretty reliable. And the historical trends strongly suggest that over the long term, OSU, UM, PSU, and UN will be roughly comparable to one another at the top of the conference.
 
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