Nebraska-TSUN comparison

[BayBuck]

Yes, there was a wider context - conference realignment. As you point out, this thread has been split off and the context HERE is "Nebraska-TSUN comparison" just read the title. To post HERE that "it has nothing to do with Nebraska" when the context HERE is "Nebraska-TSUN comparison" is laughable, to be charitable about it.

I'll post it one more time. Nebraska has a better win loss record then TSUN, whether you're talking the last 10 years (including the Callahan debacle at Nebraska), 20 years, 25 years, 30 years, 40 years, 50 years and 60 years. You have to go back to prior to World War II before Michigan pulls slightly ahead. Additionally, although Muck says it is meaningless, Nebraska has 5 National Championships in the last 40 years to Michigan's 1. Therefore, to say that its more likely that Michigan will be one of the Top 2 in the Big Ten in the next few years than Nebraska, is sheer and utter foolishness - ESPECIALLY since they're in the middle of their RichRod debacle at present. The past is a pretty good predictor of the future, and the past 60 years speak for themselves.

YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. It is exactly the sort of comment you make there at the end about scUM's present situation under RichRod that shows your own lack of a wider perspective. The point made was that predicting scUM's future based on what is happening right now is short-sighted, and since history tends to repeat itself a useful analogy can be found in scUM's late-60s situation, when they went from mediocre to perennial contenders very quickly with a coaching change. That point has nothing to do with Nebraska, in this thread or the one it was split here from.

And to suggest that a consideration of either team's prospects in the Big Ten going forward is only limited to "the next few years" is, again, short-sighted. Nebraska's past 40 years have been great, to be sure, better than scUM's even, but they've also been in another, weaker, conference, in another region of the country. Those two aspects of your team's history are enough to give me pause before automatically considering them the Big Ten 1A power going forward. Nebraska is entering uncharted territory, and frankly all those Big Eight titles mean about as much to me as Fielding Yost's national championships.

 

[DallasHusker]

YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. It is exactly the sort of comment you make there at the end about scUM's present situation under RichRod that shows your own lack of a wider perspective. The point made was that predicting scUM's future based on what is happening right now is short-sighted, and since history tends to repeat itself a useful analogy can be found in scUM's late-60s situation, when they went from mediocre to perennial contenders very quickly with a coaching change. That point has nothing to do with Nebraska, in this thread or the one it was split here from.

I'm actually sitting here laughing. Shows "my lack of a wider perspective?" Gee, I've given you 10 years, 20 years, 25 years, 30 years, 40 years, 50 years and 60 years. Those last two INCLUDE the "late-60's situation" that you refer to. Just how WIDE a perspective am I supposed to have, if 60 years isn't wide enough. I submit its YOU who are missing the point. EVEN CONSIDERING that coaching change in the late 60's you keep bringing up, Nebraska's historically a better team - name your perspective and its width, unless you wish to go to pre-WWII.

And to suggest that a consideration of either team's prospects in the Big Ten going forward is only limited to "the next few years" is, again, short-sighted. Nebraska's past 40 years have been great, to be sure, better than scUM's even, but they've also been in another, weaker, conference, in another region of the country. Those two aspects of your team's history are enough to give me pause before automatically considering them the Big Ten 1A power going forward. Nebraska is entering uncharted territory, and frankly all those Big Eight titles mean about as much to me as Fielding Yost's national championships.

You're on very thin ice there, my friend. Most neutral observers would say they've been in another, stronger conference. And I'd be happy to count up Big 8/12 National Championship trophies vs. Big Ten to help make that point. Just name your timeframe, ok? Afterall, I want to get the perspective correct.

(Oh, and I don't consider them the Big Ten 1A power going forward. I never said that, and wouldn't disrespect OSU by doing so. To be honest, I think we have a chance of challenging OSU for that position, but its something we'll have to earn, not claim. On the other hand, odds are better for us being the 1B power going forward then they are for TSUN - unless the last 60 years are meaningless.)

 

[BayBuck]

I'm actually sitting here laughing. Shows "my lack of a wider perspective?" Gee, I've given you 10 years, 20 years, 25 years, 30 years, 40 years, 50 years and 60 years. Those last two INCLUDE the "late-60's situation" that you refer to. Just how WIDE a perspective am I supposed to have, if 60 years isn't wide enough. I submit its YOU who are missing the point. EVEN CONSIDERING that coaching change in the late 60's you keep bringing up, Nebraska's historically a better team - name your perspective and its width, unless you wish to go to pre-WWII.

Yes, in that a wider perspective would account for points being made that do not have anything to do with Nebraska football. A mention of scUM football in 1968 as compared to now does not have anything to do with a comparison of that program to Nebraska: it's a cautionary tale for those who would disregard scUM's future success just because things have been so bad under RichRod. You misread the date 1968 as having something to do with Nebraska, which it didn't (it wasn't initially stated in this split-off thread), and you've been riffing on UM-UN historical comparisons ever since. And in case you missed it, the past 10 years haven't been a golden era for Nebraska, the only reason the Huskers have a better 2000s record than scUM is that you guys hired Pelini and they hired RichRod. All this talk about way-back supremacy is exactly what scUM fans do, so color me unimpressed with a single-team wide-perspective view.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

All of the UN confidence will be validated or diffused by the end of the first couple of seasons in the conference.

While sport IS cyclical, it's not distinctively repetitive. Nebraska has the potential to be the "1B" over the next few years, history does say that, but until they actually do anything they can't even be considered "1 anything". I was expecting the evolution of a friendly rivalry with UN but, curse my naivety, it appears that there's a hint of tSUN-like anonymity in the air that need be dealt with.

 

[DallasHusker]

Yes, in that a wider perspective would account for points being made that do not have anything to do with Nebraska football. A mention of scUM football in 1968 as compared to now does not have anything to do with a comparison of that program to Nebraska: it's a cautionary tale for those who would disregard scUM's future success just because things have been so bad under RichRod. You misread the date 1968 as having something to do with Nebraska, which it didn't (it wasn't initially stated in this split-off thread), and you've been riffing on UM-UN historical comparisons ever since. And in case you missed it, the past 10 years haven't been a golden era for Nebraska, the only reason the Huskers have a better 2000s record than scUM is that you guys hired Pelini and they hired RichRod. All this talk about way-back supremacy is exactly what scUM fans do, so color me unimpressed with a single-team wide-perspective view.

Great! Because you're the one arguing the single-team perspective, rather than comparing teams. Yeah, you're right - we hired Callahan, a few years later they hired RichRod. And pitting FOUR years of our Callahan debacle vs TWO of RichRod, we're STILL better! Again, we've been better in the good years, better in the bad years, better CONSISTENTLY over a long span of time.

I never said I'd disregard scUM's future success just because things have been so bad under RichRod. That would be pretty damn stupid for someone who lived through the Callahan debacle at Nebraska, wouldn't it? You and Muck are the ones who keep claiming that TSUN is the odds on favorite to be the 1B power in the Big Ten for the foreseeable future, I just try to keep pointing out the fallacy of that argument.

 

[zwem]

I got to say this interesting stuff here. As far as Nebraska being 1b or whatever. You can have it because right now Michigan is 1-Failure for the last few years. Quite frankly, I don't give a shit right now because things change. Who knows how things will play out 5,10,20 years from now. Michigan may still suck or they may be on top winning some trophies.

I hate to admit it, but it's Ohio St. and everyone else right now. Nebraska doesn't even have a BCS bowl victory. If you take out RichRod....has Nebraska really been that much better than Michigan in the past decade?

All this talk about Michigan and Nebraska is funny. First, who can compare with Nebraska for the past 50 years. There aren't many teams that can.

All I know is most people seem to think that Michigan has sucked since the leather helmet days.

From 1970-1999 Michigan was 3rd in wins and 2nd in winning %. From 1970-present Michigan has won or shared the big ten title 50% of the times even with OSU dominating the past 6-8 years. The big ten should be ashamed of themselves for letting a sucky team like Michigan to win those big ten championships. Oh Noes!!!

side note Ohio State also has won/shared it 50% of the time from 1970-present (both with 20).

1/2 national championship since 1949. Sure that's not great. I wish Bo would have won 2-3 national champions so people would shut up. It is what it is though.

OSU has only won 1 in the past 40 years. Does that diminish anything they have done?........of course not. They are in the top 5 when it comes to ranking programs historically.

Is Nebraska looking to become a rival with OSU? I'm sure OSU could use another rival or two. It won't be anything like Michigan-OSU though, sorry Nebraska fans.

Nebraska can have the 1b. Rich Rod says so. Richey wants the 1-J.

 

[DallasHusker]

My favorite part about all of this arrogance is that Nebraska hasn't played a single game in the BigTen and by the looks of its fans, on this board and others, it's already sniffing Alpha dog status while respectfully unconvincingly "sitting back until further notice".

Please find a quote where I've done that, I'll sit back and wait. But I'll be waiting a long time. As far as I've gone, as far as I will go, is to say I think we have "a chance" to "challenge" OSU for Alpha dog, but that we'll have to earn it, not claim it. On the other hand, as I've continued to say, there's more of a case to be made for Nebraska for Beta dog than there is for Michigan. That's all.

As for your reference to "other fans" on "other boards", you've tried that trick before - fail... I'm on THIS board, as are you. If you want to go to other boards and argue with others, be my guest. But please don't bring those arguments back and project them on me. Its the internet, you and I both can find plenty of unreasonable, loutish fans online from either school - but I don't see them here, do you?

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

All I know is most people seem to think that Michigan has sucked since the leather helmet days.

They sucked then, too. Always have, always will. :scum4:

 

[BB73]

All of the UN confidence will be validated or diffused by the end of the first couple of seasons in the conference.

My favorite part about all of this arrogance is that Nebraska hasn't played a single game in the BigTen and by the looks of its fans, on this board and others, it's already sniffing Alpha dog status while [strike]respectfully[/strike] unconvincingly "sitting back until further notice". While sport IS cyclical, it's not distinctively repetitive. Nebraska has the potential to be the "1B" over the next few years, history does say that, but until they actually do anything they can't even be considered "1 anything".

I was expecting the evolution of a friendly rivalry with UN but, curse my naivety, it appears that there's a hint of tSUN-like arrogance in the air that need be dealt with.

I don't find the Husker fans to be arrogant. There's been a little chest-thumping about their record better better than TSUN's since WWII, but I'd consider that normal.

And once again, getting impressions of a fanbase on other boards and using it to describe a group of fans on BP is something that can cause unnecessary problems here, so let's try to avoid that.

 

[muffler dragon]

All of the UN confidence will be validated or diffused by the end of the first couple of seasons in the conference.

My favorite part about all of this arrogance is that Nebraska hasn't played a single game in the BigTen and by the looks of its fans, on this board and others, it's already sniffing Alpha dog status while [strike]respectfully[/strike] unconvincingly "sitting back until further notice". While sport IS cyclical, it's not distinctively repetitive. Nebraska has the potential to be the "1B" over the next few years, history does say that, but until they actually do anything they can't even be considered "1 anything".

I was expecting the evolution of a friendly rivalry with UN but, curse my naivety, it appears that there's a hint of tSUN-like arrogance in the air that need be dealt with.

I'm directly related to Husker faithful by marriage, and I've frequented a few 'Husker boards. As with all fanbases, there are douches; however, the general populace of 'Husker fans don't even skim the overarching arrogance by the vast majority of Michigan fans. Don't project your small snippet and interpretation as though it's in the majority. There's nothing that "need be dealt with".

 

[WolverineMike]

We'll be back. Whether it's under RR or someone else, these past two seasons will be a thing of the past eventually.

Who wouldn't want be the coach that "brought Michigan back from the dead?"

 

[SloopyHangOn]

All of the UN confidence will be validated or diffused by the end of the first couple of seasons in the conference.

While sport IS cyclical, it's not distinctively repetitive. Nebraska has the potential to be the "1B" over the next few years, history does say that, but until they actually do anything they can't even be considered "1 anything". I was expecting the evolution of a friendly rivalry with UN but, curse my naivety, it appears that there's a hint of tSUN-like anonymity in the air that need be dealt with.

Well let's just go with my point this time, lest I be smote for suspecting a hint of shadiness.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

...loutish fans online from either school - but I don't see them here, do you?

Let's not pretend it's all high-brow, intellectual discussion here 24/7. But I admire your secondhand BP praise. Well played.

As I've mentioned before, history says Nebraska is "capable" but "capable" means nothing if the games aren't won. I will be 100% on board with the idea that Nebraska can usurp Michigan as one of the top 2 in the BigTen when they've been there. In the end, Michigan has BEEN there and Nebraska hasn't. That's all I'm saying.

 

[DallasHusker]

If you take out RichRod....has Nebraska really been that much better than Michigan in the past decade?

Why take out two years of RichRod? After all, we have FOUR years of Callahan, and we still were better over the last 10 years, yes.

From 1970-1999 Michigan was 3rd in wins and 2nd in winning %.

Had to find a pretty specific range to get them up to 2nd, didn't you? Oh yeah, who were they second to during that 1970-1999 timeframe?

(Actually, after suffering through our Callahan debacle, I do sympathize with what you're going through right now.)

 

[JBaney45]

Why take out two years of RichRod? After all, we have FOUR years of Callahan, and we still were better over the last 10 years, yes.

This is rather arguable, Nebraska was 84-44 and Michigan was 81-43 and come on man..you were in the Big 12 north..I mean come on.


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