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NCAA Tournament, the field of 65

jlb1705;1676726; said:
I have a job I'd like to keep, so I'm gonna sleep on that one and get back to you later.

Cute.

But it's not an answer...

I think the committee did some things that don't make much sense to the educated fans and viewers this year but until the tourney plays out we can't forget the fact that this is these guys' JOB and the basic idea is to create a balanced, fair, entertaining set of games.

...if these upsets were blowouts it'd be a different story, but these teams were all closely matched...isn't that the point?
 
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Gatorubet;1676721; said:
It was confusing to say the least. My hatred of the Horns and my loathing of the ACC conflicted. So I drank.

I got so tired of hearing the announcers morn over the Gators loss of players to the NBA that I started drinking earlier than I planned. I sorta forgot how much I hated the Gators and directed my hate toward the broadcast crew...but I regained my composure and re-hated the Gators.

Fortunately the Gators self destructed twice when given the chance to win with the last shot...then I was rewarded with a Gator loss...I savored that loss with the memory of Billy Donovan's 5 day span as the Magic coach...probably wishes he would have stayed there now.

But the moral of the story...drinking and sports just go together..LONG LIVE SPORTS DRINKING..
 
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leroyjenkins;1676625; said:
Who did you have in mind?? Madsen, and maybe Simmons, thats about it.

Yeah Simmons and Madsen plus Hill getting in the mix. After that we are pretty thin. After Watching all these teams with thier speed i thought that are bench strenght could come into play if we were to go farther in the tournament.
 
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As bad as the Big East was yesterday they'll go at least 3-1 today unless Oakland pulls an Ohio-type performance on Pitt. Still, potentially going 4-4 on the first weekend isn't anything to write home about for the nation's "best conference".
 
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TheRob8801;1676723; said:
So what exactly is wrong with this whole thing and how would YOU fix it?

The only real complaint I had was the placement of Villanova and tOSU - I would have switched the two seeds in those regions.

The #1 overall seed should get rewarded by playing the weakest #2, and a team that won both the regular season and the conference tournament in a power conference shouldn't get stuck in the same region as the #1 overall.

The committee got lucky with all the close games yesterday. They're not smart enough to put together good matchups based on styles of play; they look at results to determine seeding, then arrange the brackets based on TV ratings and geography to help ticket sales. They did the same thing as they did last year and the first round wasn't very exciting last year.
 
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TheRob8801;1676728; said:
Cute.

But it's not an answer...

I think the committee did some things that don't make much sense to the educated fans and viewers this year but until the tourney plays out we can't forget the fact that this is these guys' JOB and the basic idea is to create a balanced, fair, entertaining set of games.

...if these upsets were blowouts it'd be a different story, but these teams were all closely matched...isn't that the point?

Entertaining should not hold any fucking weight when determining the NC. Thank God football doesn't use anything like these fucking idiots to conduct their NC.
 
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TheRob8801;1676723; said:
So what exactly is wrong with this whole thing and how would YOU fix it?

jlb1705;1676726; said:
I have a job I'd like to keep, so I'm gonna sleep on that one and get back to you later.

TheRob8801;1676728; said:
Cute.

But it's not an answer...

I think the committee did some things that don't make much sense to the educated fans and viewers this year but until the tourney plays out we can't forget the fact that this is these guys' JOB and the basic idea is to create a balanced, fair, entertaining set of games.

...if these upsets were blowouts it'd be a different story, but these teams were all closely matched...isn't that the point?

Cute. :roll2: Here's an answer.

The committee does not have a duty to create an entertaining set of games. They have a duty to set up a fair and legitimate national championship. This tournament is entertaining in it's own right. The selection committee does not need to make entertainment value a priority in its selection process - not that I'm saying they did.

What they did admit to doing this year has me scratching my head almost as much. First of all, they made geographical proximity one of the foremost factors in distribution (and perhaps seeding). I could understand doing that decades ago, but not in the modern era of the tournament. The NCAA and the participating schools are making money hand over fist in this thing. They can and gladly will travel. The participants are not equally distributed geographically, and neither is the balance of power in college basketball. Treating the field as if it is balanced in those ways is going to result in an unbalanced bracket. If I were running the committee, geography would be one of my last considerations in assembling the field, not one of the first.

Also, this committee seeded the top 1-seeds but did not seed any of the 2s, 3s, 4s, etc. If you're not going to follow that concept to its logical conclusion, why bother seeding the teams at the top? If you're going to bother to determine that Kansas is the top overall seed for instance, wouldn't it make sense to make sure that the rest of their bracket follows the s-curve that comes along with seeding the teams like that? If I were running this thing, the top overall seed would be in a bracket with the lowest 2-seed, highest 3-seed & lowest 4-seed. I'd apply that same methodology throughout the rest of the tournament.

Finally, the committee was inconsistent in what criteria they were using to select and seed teams. On one hand they say that Duke was a higher 1-seed than Syracuse because of the way both teams finished the season. Villanova finished like ass though and got a 2-seed. At least they were applying a merit-based criterion in these cases, but they need to be applied consistently.

I've been watching this long enough to know you can never make a perfect 64-team bracket. There are just too many factors that go into it. I've also watched long enough to know that this year's field doesn't live up to the standard of pretty much every other year I can remember in terms of competitive balance and appropriate seeding. The things I suggested that I'd do - these are things that past committees have done to get the best bracket possible. This committee didn't and we're seeing the results.
 
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I had one more thing that I wanted to mention that I'd do if I were in charge of this thing, that really didn't belong as part of my reply to TheRob's question.

The play-in game sucks. It's worthless. Nobody watches it except the people at UD Arena who have nothing better to do because it's Dayton on a Tuesday.

First of all I think it was a stupid idea in the first place. I know first and foremost it's a money grab - but do they really think that it solves anything as far as bubble teams? All they did was shift the complaint. Instead of the insanity of the 65th best team in the country bitching about not getting a shot at the national championship :roll2: it's now the 66th best team.

Also, I think it's insulting to the teams they've been selecting to participate. The teams that they put in the "play-in" game have already played their way in actually, but winning their conference tournament.

My first choice would be to get rid of it. However if they must continue with it, I think it should be a matchup of two at-large teams. Give the teams that win the conference tournaments their due and make the teams that want a shot at The Dance despite being 5 games over .500 and going one-and-out in theirs fight over a spot.

Let's say Florida and Minnesota were the last two teams in. Why not have them face off for the distinction of being a part of the real field? Set it up so the winner gets the 11-seed and plays #6 Xavier. It would be more fair and a hell of a lot more interesting.
 
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Also, I think it's insulting to the teams they've been selecting to participate. The teams that they put in the "play-in" game have already played their way in actually, but winning their conference tournament.

My first choice would be to get rid of it. However if they must continue with it, I think it should be a matchup of two at-large teams. Give the teams that win the conference tournaments their due and make the teams that want a shot at The Dance despite being 5 games over .500 and going one-and-out in theirs fight over a spot.

Absolutely agree. It's always struck me as absurd that two teams who won their conference tournaments have to play one another for the right to get slaughtered by a #1 seed. Congrats on the great season, Winthrop! You reward is a game against APB that nobody cares about.
 
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