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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
The ACC is full of retards. They steal teams from the Big Least in hopes of making an awesome football conference. But why do they keep Duke and NC? I sure hope it isn't for football. They want 12+ teams so they can get the money of a conference championship game, but they vote against letting the rest of the teams getting money from a 12th game. It's a little like wanting to go to your favorite bar during Happy Hour, but getting unhappy when there are other people there getting their own cheap beer.
Also, didn't the ACC take four teams from the Big Least? Miami, VT, BC, and Syracuse? I don't think they mentioned Syracuse in the article. Maybe I'm wrong.
Also, didn't the ACC take four teams from the Big Least? Miami, VT, BC, and Syracuse? I don't think they mentioned Syracuse in the article. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Early in the process of conference switching heating up, Syracuse was offered a spot by the Big East, and may have indicated they were going to make the move, but then the Orange decided to stay put in the Big East.Zurp said:
That was just before the lawsuits started flying around.
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kn1f3party
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I thought BC was originally left out in the cold until Syracuse withdrew. Hard to remember because I don't care for that inferior conference. I like the idea of twelve games because I love football and that gives me one more week to watch my Buckeyes play.
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They should allow the 12th game to the conferences that don't have a conference championship game. What a stink that would cause eh?
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
That would be BEAUTIFUL!!! I can hear it all now.. The ACC, SEC, Big12.. all whining like I'd imagine LLLoyd's family reunion would sound like. And ND would probably be whining the most. "Whaaaaa!!! We aren't in a conference!!! We want another game!!! Whaaaaaa!!! We're too good for conferences. Give us money! We won a NC 50 years ago, so we're good! We had a black coach, once, and our academics are awesome! We use real gold in the paint for our helmets and this one time we had some guy named Rudy on our team. Love us!"Bestbuck36 said:
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Maybe the 12th game won't happen. NCAA Board of Directors meets on Thursday to consider it.
Knight commission: Say no to 12-game season
MIAMI (AP) -- The Knight commission urged the NCAA to oppose the addition of a 12th regular-season game for Division I football teams until the effects of recent academic reforms for players become clear.
The NCAA Division I Management Council has backed legislation that would allow Division I-A and I-AA schools to add a 12th game starting with the 2006 season. The NCAA Board of Directors on Thursday considers the legislation, which has the support of most athletic directors.
The Knight commission last week sent a memo to the NCAA Board of Directors. The commission is a privately funded group formed in 1989 to promote reforms and greater presidential control of college sports.
The NCAA's latest academic reform movement is based on a points system that measures the retention and graduation rates of each team. Teams that fail to meet minimum standards -- about a 50 percent gradation rate -- are in danger of losing scholarships. Teams that persistently fall short of the NCAA's minimum requirements could face postseason bans.
According to the report released in February, half the 328 Division I schools have at least one team that could face sanctions.
"This coming fall will be the first time juniors will be subject to the increased progress toward degree requirements, and the academic performance program will be in effect as well," the Knight commission wrote in its letter. "The commission, by a substantial majority, urges the board to oppose the addition of a 12th football game until the impact of these academics reform is clear."
Knight commission: Say no to 12-game season
MIAMI (AP) -- The Knight commission urged the NCAA to oppose the addition of a 12th regular-season game for Division I football teams until the effects of recent academic reforms for players become clear.
The NCAA Division I Management Council has backed legislation that would allow Division I-A and I-AA schools to add a 12th game starting with the 2006 season. The NCAA Board of Directors on Thursday considers the legislation, which has the support of most athletic directors.
The Knight commission last week sent a memo to the NCAA Board of Directors. The commission is a privately funded group formed in 1989 to promote reforms and greater presidential control of college sports.
The NCAA's latest academic reform movement is based on a points system that measures the retention and graduation rates of each team. Teams that fail to meet minimum standards -- about a 50 percent gradation rate -- are in danger of losing scholarships. Teams that persistently fall short of the NCAA's minimum requirements could face postseason bans.
According to the report released in February, half the 328 Division I schools have at least one team that could face sanctions.
"This coming fall will be the first time juniors will be subject to the increased progress toward degree requirements, and the academic performance program will be in effect as well," the Knight commission wrote in its letter. "The commission, by a substantial majority, urges the board to oppose the addition of a 12th football game until the impact of these academics reform is clear."
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Can someone tell me what the Knight Commission is and how much weight that they carry with the NCAA?
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The Knight Commission, which is concerned about academic integrity related to college athletics, is part of the Knight Foundation.ScriptOhio said:
Here's a blurb, plus a link about the Knight Commision:
http://www.knightfdn.org/default.asp?story=athletics/reports/2001_report/index.html
In 1989, as a decade of highly visible scandals in college sports drew to a close, the trustees of the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation were concerned that athletics abuses threatened the very integrity of higher education. In October of that year, they created a Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics and directed it to propose a reform agenda for college sports.
In announcing this action, James L. Knight, then chairman of the Foundation, emphasized that it did not reflect any hostility toward college athletics. "We have a lot of sports fans on our board, and we recognize that intercollegiate athletics have a legitimate and proper role to play in college and university life," he said. "Our interest is not to abolish that role but to preserve it by putting it back in perspective. We hope this Commission can strengthen the hands of those who want to curb the abuses which are shaking public confidence in the integrity of not just big-time collegiate athletics but the whole institution of higher education."
Here's a blurb, plus a link about the Knight Foundation:
http://www.knightfdn.org/default.asp
The John S. and James L. Knight Foundation was established in 1950 as a private foundation independent of the Knight brothers' newspaper enterprises. It is dedicated to furthering their ideals of service to community, to the highest standards of journalistic excellence and to the defense of a free press.
In both their publishing and philanthropic undertakings, the Knight brothers shared a broad vision and uncommon devotion to the common welfare. It is those ideals, as well as their philanthropic interests, to which the foundation remains faithful.
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daddyphatsacs
Let the cards fall...
I do not see how one additional game will hurt players. Look at how often basketball teams travel and play games. What is the big deal. I would think that OSU would be all for this, they could make an assload of money with an additional football game.
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Fungo Squiggly
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You are absolutely right that OSU could rake in some extra cash with an extra game. I think the issue that is perturbing is that people are against a playoff under the justification that it would take too much time from the student-athletes, but now it would be okay to add a game to the regular season.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=750 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class="" vAlign=top width=560><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=7><SPACER type="block" width="1" height="1"></TD></TR><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>NCAA football's new math?</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER type="block" width="1" height="1"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
April 25, 2005
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>It certainly won't be a shock if the NCAA proves beyond a reasonable doubt it is a hypocritical, money-grubbing organization that pays little more than lip service to its academic mission.
But we are interested in hearing how – in its own defense – it attempts to explain the following mathematical formula: 7 is greater than 58.
That's what the 18 university presidents who make up the NCAA's Board of Directors will have to do Thursday in Indianapolis if they decide to be stooges for their conference commissioners and permanently expand the Division I-A football regular season from 11 to 12 games. These are the same presidents, of course, who supposedly stand adamantly against the creation of a I-A playoff system because it would extend the season and cause student-athletes to miss class time. But a playoff system, featuring say, just eight teams, would add seven total games to the season
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An extra game for all 117 I-A teams would result in a minimum of 58 additional games.
Perhaps the learned folks at the NCAA are intelligent enough to explain how seven more games is an assault on academics and would put undue strain and stress on the student-athletes but an additional 58 is no big deal at all.
We are sure it has nothing to do with all that ticket, parking and concession revenue those additional home games would create.
Legislative issues within the NCAA get scant publicity, which is understandable. Most are arcane, boring and not simple to grasp. But this one is as clear as day.
It's about shameless duplicity, greed, ego and nothing else.
Big 12 Conference commissioner Kevin Weiberg, who sponsored the legislation, reasons that the extra game won't really "extend" the season because the 12th game will just take place on what would have been an off weekend for the kids.
That's nice.
As for the claim that this is just bureaucrats riding their student-athlete work force for more cash, well, hey, that's just a pleasant byproduct.
"For schools struggling to build financially, we believe the 12th game will be a benefit," Weiberg says.
You can see why the Big 12 is behind it; the extra game ought to completely cover Colorado's hooker budget.
Of course, we expect such pathetic profiteering from the athletic directors and commissioners who gave us the BCS, Tuesday night football, professor Jim Harrick Jr., the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl, sneaker logos on uniforms, Baylor men's basketball, Idaho in the Sun Belt Conference, sorry graduation rates and a 2004 calendar year that alone saw a quarter of the SEC convicted for major rules violations.
Those guys are total hucksters who care only about the bottom line. Tellingly, the 12th-game legislation passed their esteemed committee without a single, solitary word of debate.
But the final say in the NCAA goes to a group of university presidents, who are supposed to be better than that.
Led by NCAA head Myles Brand, these people love blowing smoke about academic missions and ethical high grounds, waxing poetic from their Ivy Towers.
And then they roll over in silence when a potential new revenue stream is discovered.
The infuriating thing for the fans, players and coaches is the addition of the 12th game is a serious blow against a real playoff system. Almost no one but the conference commissioners favor the BCS.
If Thursday's legislation passes, college football gets stuck with a system in which Auburn can go 13-0 behind three top-10 NFL draft picks – and not even have the chance to compete for a national title.
All in exchange for an extra home game with Louisiana-Monroe.
"If you talk to the athletes, they would prefer to see a little more competition and a little less practice," Weiberg reasoned in support of the 12th game.
Actually, talk to the athletes and they want a playoff, like Divisions I-AA, II and III. The players don't seem to buy the lie that the SEC cares more about academics than the I-AA Patriot League.
But the commissioners love power, and the BCS system gives them that. Even though there is more money to be made with a playoff system, the commissioners would rather have a smaller revenue pie if it means they control the cutting knife.
The powers that be always have been able to hold their critics at arm's length on moral grounds.
The kids, they argue, can not handle seven more games.
Fifty-eight apparently is no problem.
Maybe it's new math. Looks like the same old bought and sold hypocrisy though.
Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send him a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
April 25, 2005
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</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>It certainly won't be a shock if the NCAA proves beyond a reasonable doubt it is a hypocritical, money-grubbing organization that pays little more than lip service to its academic mission. But we are interested in hearing how – in its own defense – it attempts to explain the following mathematical formula: 7 is greater than 58.
That's what the 18 university presidents who make up the NCAA's Board of Directors will have to do Thursday in Indianapolis if they decide to be stooges for their conference commissioners and permanently expand the Division I-A football regular season from 11 to 12 games. These are the same presidents, of course, who supposedly stand adamantly against the creation of a I-A playoff system because it would extend the season and cause student-athletes to miss class time. But a playoff system, featuring say, just eight teams, would add seven total games to the season
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
An extra game for all 117 I-A teams would result in a minimum of 58 additional games.
Perhaps the learned folks at the NCAA are intelligent enough to explain how seven more games is an assault on academics and would put undue strain and stress on the student-athletes but an additional 58 is no big deal at all.
We are sure it has nothing to do with all that ticket, parking and concession revenue those additional home games would create.
Legislative issues within the NCAA get scant publicity, which is understandable. Most are arcane, boring and not simple to grasp. But this one is as clear as day.
It's about shameless duplicity, greed, ego and nothing else.
Big 12 Conference commissioner Kevin Weiberg, who sponsored the legislation, reasons that the extra game won't really "extend" the season because the 12th game will just take place on what would have been an off weekend for the kids.
That's nice.
As for the claim that this is just bureaucrats riding their student-athlete work force for more cash, well, hey, that's just a pleasant byproduct.
"For schools struggling to build financially, we believe the 12th game will be a benefit," Weiberg says.
You can see why the Big 12 is behind it; the extra game ought to completely cover Colorado's hooker budget.
Of course, we expect such pathetic profiteering from the athletic directors and commissioners who gave us the BCS, Tuesday night football, professor Jim Harrick Jr., the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl, sneaker logos on uniforms, Baylor men's basketball, Idaho in the Sun Belt Conference, sorry graduation rates and a 2004 calendar year that alone saw a quarter of the SEC convicted for major rules violations.
Those guys are total hucksters who care only about the bottom line. Tellingly, the 12th-game legislation passed their esteemed committee without a single, solitary word of debate.
But the final say in the NCAA goes to a group of university presidents, who are supposed to be better than that.
Led by NCAA head Myles Brand, these people love blowing smoke about academic missions and ethical high grounds, waxing poetic from their Ivy Towers.
And then they roll over in silence when a potential new revenue stream is discovered.
The infuriating thing for the fans, players and coaches is the addition of the 12th game is a serious blow against a real playoff system. Almost no one but the conference commissioners favor the BCS.
If Thursday's legislation passes, college football gets stuck with a system in which Auburn can go 13-0 behind three top-10 NFL draft picks – and not even have the chance to compete for a national title.
All in exchange for an extra home game with Louisiana-Monroe.
"If you talk to the athletes, they would prefer to see a little more competition and a little less practice," Weiberg reasoned in support of the 12th game.
Actually, talk to the athletes and they want a playoff, like Divisions I-AA, II and III. The players don't seem to buy the lie that the SEC cares more about academics than the I-AA Patriot League.
But the commissioners love power, and the BCS system gives them that. Even though there is more money to be made with a playoff system, the commissioners would rather have a smaller revenue pie if it means they control the cutting knife.
The powers that be always have been able to hold their critics at arm's length on moral grounds.
The kids, they argue, can not handle seven more games.
Fifty-eight apparently is no problem.
Maybe it's new math. Looks like the same old bought and sold hypocrisy though.
Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send him a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
"You can see why the Big 12 is behind it; the extra game ought to completely cover Colorado's hooker budget. "
This is one of the greatest things that i have ever read!!! bar none
This is one of the greatest things that i have ever read!!! bar none
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