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NCAA sued over scholarship limitations

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an imbecility, a stupidity without name
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/columns/edmatisik/060215.htm

Walk-Ons Sue NCAA

COULD THIS IMPACT BASKETBALL SCHOLARSHIP LIMITS?​



As the primary membership organization for intercollegiate athletics, the NCAA has enacted a number of rules that, it claims, helps to increase the general competitiveness of its member institutions in all sports. One major area addressed by these rules is the maximum number of scholarships that a school may award in a particular sport. The NCAA, and many commentators and NCAA-member institutions, believe that the cap on scholarships benefits the general quality of play throughout the United States by forcing the talent pool to be “spread around” a greater number of institutions. That is, the cap limits the larger universities, and those with greater resources, from stockpiling talent in a particular sport, and encourages student-athletes to consider playing for those programs that may be less prestigious or have fewer resources, but have the same number of scholarship slots available as do the more prestigious programs.

The number of scholarships that a school may award varies by sports, by Division within the NCAA (i.e., Division I or Division II; athletic scholarships are not awarded by Division III institutions), and gender of the student-athletes that play on a team. The maximum number of scholarships that may awarded by an NCAA Division I college or university at any given time, by sport and gender, is given below. (Please note that partial scholarship are possible because the NCAA permits an institution to grant a particular student-athlete less than 100% aid for participating in a sport; e.g., 10 full scholarships could be divided among 20 student-athletes by giving each student-athlete a half scholarship.)



Sport # of Scholarships for Men # of Scholarships for Women
Basketball 13 15
Baseball (men) 11.7
Softball (women) 12
Field Hockey * 12
Football 85 *
Golf 4.5 6
Gymnastics 6.3 12
Ice Hockey 18 18
Lacrosse 12.6 12
Rowing 0 20
Soccer 9.9 12
Swimming and Diving 9.9 8.1
Tennis 4.5 8
Track and Field 12.6 18
Volleyball 4.5 12
Water Polo 4.5 8
Wrestling 9.9 *

*Indicates that competition is offered only for one gender or that the sport is co-ed.

Note: The above figures indicate the maximum number of scholarships that a college or
university may award. An institution may award fewer scholarships, or none at all, based
on an institution’s budget, focus on a particular sport, or compliance with gender equity
laws such as Title IX.

A group of walk-on football players at NCAA Division I-A schools in the State of Washington have filed suit against the NCAA challenging these limitations. A “walk-on” is a student-athlete who has not necessarily been recruited by a school and who obtained a spot on a team’s roster by trying out for the team. Walk-ons, in general, do not receive scholarships, although sometimes an institution may elect to provide an athletic scholarship to a walk-on (subject to the above numerical limitations). If the football players’ suit against the NCAA is successful, it could have profound implications for all walk-on athletes regardless of their sport.

The walk-ons alleged that they would have receive athletic scholarships to their respective institutions were it not for the NCAA’s limitations on such scholarships. The players alleged that the NCAA and its member institutions enacted the scholarship rules to limit the competition among the colleges for student-athletes and thereby hold down recruitment and scholarship expenses. The walk-ons claimed that these restrictions severely impaired their ability to obtain financial assistance based on their athletic abilities.

The walk-ons allege that the scholarship limits are violations of Sections 1 and 2 of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Section 1 of the Act states:

Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in
restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations,
is hereby declared to be illegal.

Section 2 prohibits monopolization of a particular market.

Prior to trial, the NCAA asked a federal trial court in Seattle to dismiss the walk-ons’ suit, and enter judgment in its favor, arguing that it was not engaged in “trade or commerce in student-athletes” but is a protector of “amateurism” in intercollegiate athletics. The NCAA argued that since it is not engaged in trade or commerce it is not subject to the provisions of Section 1 of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and, therefore, the suit should be dismissed.

In a decision delivered late last year, the court disagreed with the NCAA. It noted that several state and federal courts have held that the NCAA and its member institutions are subject to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, and that the awarding of financial aid to students, regardless of their athletic ability, is subject to the Act. The court stated that such activities clearly impact upon “trade or commerce” among the states and, by the NCAA’s own admission, scholarship rules were enacted, at least in part, to reduce the scholarship and recruiting expenses of NCAA-member institutions. The court held that the NCAA was, therefore, subject to suit under
Section 1.

The NCAA asked the court to dismiss the walk-ons’ claims under Section 2, arguing that the NCAA does not have “monopoly power in any relevant market.” The court found that numerous state and federal courts in the U.S. have found that the NCAA has “the power to control intercollegiate athletics” and that the walk-ons’ allegations that the NCAA “exercises an almost absolute control over intercollegiate athletics” has sufficient merit so that further inquiry is warranted to determine whether a violation of Section 2 of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act has occurred.

The court refused to grant the NCAA’s motion to dismiss the suit and ordered that the case proceed to trial.

The case is In re NCAA I-A Walk-On Football Players Litigation, 398 F. Supp.2d 1144 (W.D. Wash. 2005).
 
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I didn't read the whole article, but I had an idea on how to reward walk-ons without destroying the parity that has come from the limits. Schools should be allowed (if they want to) to give any walk-ons scholarships after they are in school and on the team for 2 years without that player counting against the scholarship limit. I'm sure a school like OSU would be able to use a rule like this to pull some kids away from smaller schools, but there wouldn't be too many cases of this since the kids/parents would have to foot the bill for the first 2 years of college. There are also limits on the total number of players on a team so it isn't like a big school like OSU could have more than 20 to 40 walk-ons anyway. There are 116 players listed on the OSU roster webpage right now.
 
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The walk-ons claimed that these restrictions severely impaired their ability to obtain financial assistance based on their athletic abilities.

...the awarding of financial aid to students, regardless of their athletic ability, is subject to the Act.

Maybe if they were better at their sport, they would have gotten a scholarship offer. Apparently they weren't very good, so they didnt get an offer. Boo-hoo.

You know, why don't we just extend the period of time when every kid gets whatever they want, regardless of how it affects the rest of the world. It's bad enough how high school kids are coddled now. The longer we can hold off exposing these kids to the real world, the better.
 
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Maybe if they were better at their sport, they would have gotten a scholarship offer. Apparently they weren't very good, so they didnt get an offer. Boo-hoo.

That's pretty simplistic: if the schools had more scholarships to give (at their own expense), these kids would have the opportunity to play for tuition somewhere. It's not just their talent, and it's not the schools, keeping them from getting the scholarship: it's the bureaucrats at the NCAA.
 
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Here's my take!

Being a former walk-on I take pride in the fact that I worked my way up to earning a scholarsip at OSU knowing whole heartedly that if I had been a HS kid in Ohio (or any other state besides Hawai'i and Alaska) that I would have had schollie offers from all over the place (not necessarily OSU). I could've walked on at Hawai'i but who in their right mind would walk-on when Jason Elam had 3 yrs remaining as a kicker and punter? Fuck that if I was staying home for school they were going to have to "pay my ass"!...I'd rather take my chances at a BIG TIME school if I was going to walk on. I made the RIGHT choice obviously!

It's not that these kids are not good enough (some might not be) b/c there were at least a handful of kids each year that came to OSU on scholarship that in my eyes didn't deserve it one bit (and their lack of production and dedication proved it)! I always thought to myself, "shit there are guys on my HS team and in "little ol Hawai'i" that are better than this piece of shit! Finally, in the mid 90's big time schools started recruiting from Hawai'i.

Point being, I think that if more schollies are to be offered that they go to the lesser revenue sports where kids only get partial scholarships. Give those kids a bigger piece of the pie.

Being a walk-on has it's pluses and minuses, but the truly deserving ones whether they were overlooked in HS or not will rise to the top, and there is something to be said for that! Earn it if you feel you deserve it and were overlooked! Look at the BIG TIME Walk-ons OSU has had: Andy Groom and Terry Glenn are just two to start with (there are more!) and I'm sure the board can and already has discussed this.

Forget raising the Football Schollies but I'm for giving the lesser revenue sports more scholarship liberty.

HAYN
 
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That's pretty simplistic: if the schools had more scholarships to give (at their own expense), these kids would have the opportunity to play for tuition somewhere. It's not just their talent, and it's not the schools, keeping them from getting the scholarship: it's the bureaucrats at the NCAA.
I don't think the argument scales. If you have 85 schollies to give, player #86 is always going to complain. Even if scholorship limits are abolished, that doesn't eliminate the fact that there will be marginal or otherwise unheralded players on the bubble, and the players such as Hayn who are in Hawaii or Alaska or some other remote location with little to no publicity who will still have to walk-on and pay their own way. If it's not player #86 it'll be player #186. The individuals responsible for this lawsuit chose to walk-on at their Washington school(s). I do not believe for one moment that if they're good enough to walk-on and make a D1A Pac-10 team, that they weren't good enough to find a full scholorship at a 1AA school or a Sun Belt school or somewhere.

If the Ohio States, Oklahomas, and Alabamas go back to having hundreds of scholorships, that will not solve the problem for the marginal players. OSU won't necessarily give those scholorships to a borderline/walk-on, they'll instead go after all the players that currently find themselves at places like Minnesota and Iowa that OSU couldn't afford to pursue.
 
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I don't think the argument scales. If you have 85 schollies to give, player #86 is always going to complain. Even if scholorship limits are abolished, that doesn't eliminate the fact that there will be marginal or otherwise unheralded players on the bubble, and the players such as Hayn who are in Hawaii or Alaska or some other remote location with little to no publicity who will still have to walk-on and pay their own way. If it's not player #86 it'll be player #186. The individuals responsible for this lawsuit chose to walk-on at their Washington school(s). I do not believe for one moment that if they're good enough to walk-on and make a D1A Pac-10 team, that they weren't good enough to find a full scholorship at a 1AA school or a Sun Belt school or somewhere.

If the Ohio States, Oklahomas, and Alabamas go back to having hundreds of scholorships, that will not solve the problem for the marginal players. OSU won't necessarily give those scholorships to a borderline/walk-on, they'll instead go after all the players that currently find themselves at places like Minnesota and Iowa that OSU couldn't afford to pursue.

The point is that if even the school they attend is willing to (but prohibited from) grant these students scholarships, it is solely the NCAA which is keeping them from getting what they consider just compensation for their abilities and services. The only question here is whether they can make a valid legal case to that effect, and this federal court seemed to see at least enough merit to not dismiss it.
 
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Being a former walk-on I take pride in the fact that I worked my way up to earning a scholarsip at OSU knowing whole heartedly that if I had been a HS kid in Ohio (or any other state besides Hawai'i and Alaska) that I would have had schollie offers from all over the place (not necessarily OSU).

Exactly! It might not have been completely fair, but instead of sitting back and complaining about it, you chose to work hard and earned your spot on the team and eventually a scholarship.

The thing I have a problem with is this: If they do allow every school to give more athletic scholarships, where will the money come from? More than likely, the rest of the tuition-paying student body. The price of a college education has gone up so much in the past 10 years, it is getting to the point where it is almost counter-productive to go to college anymore. It certainly has to be getting close right now, if you are going into teaching, social work, nursing or any other grossly under-paid field.
 
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As I've said before I can't remember 1 walk-on in my program while I was there that wasn't put on scholarship after 2-3 years of being a walk-on. Some of these guys were horrible, but they still rewarded them with a year or 2 on the house.
 
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If colleges didn't have scholarship limits big school's like OSU would steal recruits from lesser schools like Indiana and Pitt. Those school would then not be able to compete with the OSU's of the world because they would be getting the recruits that used to go to the MAC. The MAC would end up with the recruits that wouldn't have been good enough to get scholarships anywhere. Majors would never be able to play mid-majors because they wouldn't even have a chance to be competitive anymore. The loss of big paydays from playing big schools and the general lack of quality would probably kill every single mid major football program in the nation. Thus reducing the total number of scholarships that are available right now. Most mid-majors don't make much if any money off of athletics as it is.
 
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That's pretty simplistic: if the schools had more scholarships to give (at their own expense), these kids would have the opportunity to play for tuition somewhere. It's not just their talent, and it's not the schools, keeping them from getting the scholarship: it's the bureaucrats at the NCAA.

Yeah, and there's a specific reason why the limitations are in place: Parity in competition. Back when there were no limits, teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Southern California, etc., could scoop up all the top talent in their region, leaving little to nothing in terms of top talent for lesser schools. All the other schools (about 85-90% of the schools) started pissing and moaning that they couldn't afford to do blanket recruiting like the aforementioned schools could, and asked something be done. Guess what, something was done, and that was to gradually lower to scholarship limit over a period of time (IIRC, it went from unlimited to 105, to 95, to 85, over a period of nearly two decades).

These kids who are suing use the "argument" that if there were no limits they would've been offered scholarships. Well, how are they going to prove that? They may be good enough to make the team as a scout-team player, but that doesn't mean that the school would've thought they were good enough beforehand to eventually become a first- or second-stringer and thus worth the offer of a scholarship. Also, if they force the NCAA to allow more scholarships just because these kids would've got a scholarship if there were more available, where does it stop? Can these kids also sue a company because they won't hire them due to no open positions and so the kids sue to force openings? Or, getting closer to home, can they sue Ohio State for raising admission requirements if those raised admission requirements were what kept them from qualifying? Could they sue, say that they would've qualified had the standards not been raised (thus limiting the amount of access, just as reducing the number of available athletic scholarships reduced access to teams)?

They need to shut up and either get better at their sport or start part-time jobs and start looking for student loans, grants and other scholarships to help pay for their college.
 
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Schools aren't forced to be part of the NCAA, are they? I tend to think that's all the NCAA would have to show to be in the clear on this issue. It's a group of schools that agrees on a set of standard rules to play by.

These players can always go play for a non-NCAA school.
 
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