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NCAA may adopt new academic standards

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http://www.collegesportsscholarship...changes-new-initial-eligibility-standards.htm

The ongoing discussion is related to fending off what may be a large number of athletes not being eligible when the new standards kick in. Right now, 0.5% of current athletes were nonqualifiers. 15.4% of athletes would be either nonqualifiers or academic redshirts under the new standards, including 40% of men?s basketball players and almost 35% of football players (currently 2.8% and 1.1% respectively). A significant gap between minority and white athletes would also persist.
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I'm gonna guess the SEC coaches/ADs/fans will not be in favor of this proposal.
 
A significant gap between minority and white athletes would also persist.
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Then it won't be adopted. Period.
Not without some type of exception clause.

C'mon guys - this is Academia. Do you think anything like these changes will be adopted if it negatively effects minority athletes?
 
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exhawg;2303029; said:
Hopefully one conference not being in favor won't derail the proposal. You would think most other conferences would be in favor of it since it would weaken the SEC more than anyone else.
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Actually, the SEC presidents have adopted new rules for the SEC that their coaches/ADs/fans were not in favor of (the 28 per year limit on recruiting classes, for example), so it's possible they might vote in favor of it.

I personally would love to see academic standards raised. College is getting more competitive to get into across the board, and academic standards for student-athletes should reflect that.
 
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BigWoof31;2303035; said:
Then it won't be adopted. Period.
Not without some type of exception clause.

C'mon guys - this is Academia. Do you think anything like these changes will be adopted if it negatively effects minority athletes?
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Without getting too political here - and realizing my views probably don't coincide with those of college presidents - it shouldn't be the job of colleges to fix issues that are occurring in K through 12.

Anyway, I remember this same argument back when they were thinking of raising the minimum core GPA from 2.0 to 2.5 (with the Prop 48 exception)... and the presidents adopted it anyway. Admittedly, they later went back and implemented a sliding scale to make things more flexible (while also eliminating partial qualifiers), but college presidents have shown that they will raise academic standards even if it is perceived to affect minorities negatively.
 
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Don't like the manner in which a higher gpa can compensate for a lower test score. It's going to result in a lot of pressure being brought to bear on high school teachers to pass the star athlete along.

Strengthen the gpa and test score components independent of each other. Then give those that can't qualify another option to prepare for the nfl (the sole reason 99% of them step onto a college campus), and you'll do away with a lot of the problems that swirl around big time college fb and bb programs.

I'm not saying that you need to raise standards up to the level of the general student body, but the gap needs to be closed a great deal. It's absurd when the average SAT score of football recruits is 250 to 300 points lower than the average incoming freshman. Now consider that a certain percentage of the recruits meet or exceed the overall average. That means that--in order to drag the average that low--at least a third (and probably higher) of the average recruiting class has no business on a campus and will never graduate no matter how much tutoring or individual attention is lavished on them.
 
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BigWoof31;2303035; said:
Then it won't be adopted. Period.
Not without some type of exception clause.

C'mon guys - this is Academia. Do you think anything like these changes will be adopted if it negatively effects minority athletes?
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These two words should answer your question. Having athletes -- minority or not -- slacking by academically because of their status as athletes is precisely why the NCAA is stepping up. By stating it negatively affects (not effects, by the way) minorities implies that minorities aren't as smart as whites.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2303048; said:
By stating it negatively affects (not effects, by the way) minorities implies that minorities aren't as smart as whites.
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It absolutely does not.
Without getting into lots of details, my work revolves heavily in employment law. If I institute a policy at my company and it results in a reduced number of minority hires - I've disparately impacted the minority group.

It's an issue of consequence, not competency.
 
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BigWoof31;2303057; said:
It's an issue of consequence, not competency.
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When you state that raising academic requirements (e.g., academic competency) will cause a reduction in minorites, it absolutely does imply that minorities aren't as "academically compentent" (e.g., "smart) as whites.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2303059; said:
When you state that raising academic requirements (e.g., academic competency) will cause a reduction in minorites, it absolutely does imply that minorities aren't as "academically compentent" (e.g., "smart) as whites.
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I'm not arguing it - the article cites it!
It's flat out concluding "If you do X, then Y will take place"
In this case Y results in a reduction of accepted minority student athletes.

If this is the direction the NCAA wants to travel, full speed ahead. In many cases some potential recruits would do well to spend a year at a prep-school before reaching undergrad. I just predict a legal battle in the future.
 
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MililaniB - forget I said anything. I should have consulted LexisNexis before throwing around DI claims

In another case, Cureton v. NCAA (1999), the Third Circuit observed that the NCAA could not be sued on the ground that its minimum standardized test scores had an unjustified disparate impact on African American student athletes in violation of Title VI.
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http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/app/briefs/cureton.htm


I'm going to assume if a minimum standard was already upheld at the appellate levels, raising such standard would also be upheld.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2303074; said:
I wasn't saying you personally, but rather anyone who says raising academic standards hinders minorities implies minorities aren't as smart.
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I think that a lot of Black South Africans would be offended for precisely that reason, Mili.
 
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