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NCAA investigating Tressel's days at Y-State

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GoofyBuckeye

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a family member of mine is close friends with Tressel's former offensive coordinator at Y-State and he said that he was called to be interviewed by the NCAA. They want to know what went on at Y-State while Tressel was there.

Some alarming news.....apparently, the booster payments have some weight with this guy. Tressel may have helped out with the needier players, ala, Jim O'Brien. Not to freak anyone out, but this is coming from one of Tressel's former coaches who absolutely loves coach and would like to coach with him at OSU. Tressel probably did know about some of the things that went on. We were in agreement that most of the accusations are a bunch of crap, but there is some truth to the money to certain players part.

I'll let you know what else I hear
 
In case you didn't know, Goofy, Tressel was already cleared of any wrong-doings back in 1998. Even if the NCAA may have called Tressel's former offensive coordinator at YSU, it's nothing more than a formality. No alarming news...at all.
 
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I know that Mili, but what you don't realize is that Tressel wasn't cleared, the statute of limitations simply expired. He can't get into any trouble at Y-State, but the NCAA does have the right to gather that information and use it in a case against him now.

so yeah, it is alarming.

I should clarify..they can't use the info in the case and create a punishment based on that info, but they can use it as proof of a long standing problem and not just one or two incidents.
 
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I know this is a minor semantic issue, but I have a hard time digesting this sentence;

"We were in agreement that most of the accusations are a bunch of crap, but there is some truth to the money to certain players part."

"there is some truth" is pretty absolute, particularly when based on the second-hand (or third?) words of an individual -- even one who claims to respect JT and want to work for him (this seems an odd way to get in good favor, but that's another issue).

I'd rather read it as "but he seems to suggest there is some truth..."

Devil's in the details, but there are some slimebag reporters hovering around a number of OSU sites watching for leads on new dirt, and I'd hate for them to read too much into anything.

Not bagging on your post Goof, like anything else, this too is worth talking about. Just thinking about perception, some will read what they want to.
 
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I know that Mili, but what you don't realize is that Tressel wasn't cleared, the statute of limitations simply expired. He can't get into any trouble at Y-State, but the NCAA does have the right to gather that information and use it in a case against him now.
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This statement regarding the ramifications of the running of the statute of limitations is simply incorrect. Here is the language from the Infraction's Report:

The Division I Committee on Infractions agreed with and approved of the actions taken by the institution. In striking contrast to its behavior in 1994, the institution has now been diligent and conscientiousness in its pursuit of information relating to potential NCAA violations that were committed at a time clearly beyond the statute of limitations. In consideration of the significant and meaningful self-imposed sanctions, the committee decided not to impose additional penalties, not to obligate the institution to forfeit its 1991 NCAA Division I-AA Football Championship as would normally be required in accordance with Bylaw 31.2.2.4, and not to require the institution to reimburse funds resulting from participation in this championship, as set forth in NCAA Bylaw 31.2.2.5.
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By agreeing to the summary process, YSU waived its statute of limitations defense. The statute of limitations is an affirmative defense meaning if the NCAA suggesting bringing charges, the member institution could simply defend on the grounds that the statute of limitations has expired. Just as in law, if a member institution waives the statute of limitations defense, everything is fair game as if the 4 year time period had never elapsed.
 
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I would like to point out one clear thing...

The NCAA did not investigate this the first time. We were cleared of any wrong doing HERE the first time. The only thing they can sanction us for is HERE. They can not use anything at Youngstown against us HERE.

So why is this an issue?
 
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I hear ya, Clarity. I thought about it before I posted this but I thought some would find it interesting.

To clarify, the person I am talking about said that he knew some wrong doing was going on, namely some money to needy players, but that Clarett's charges were mostly a bunch of crap.

and about the statute of limitations defense. No one just waives the defense, the NCAA legally cannot do much if at all when that expires. They came down very softly because of that process. YSU invited the NCAA to listen to THEIR investigation and took the small punishment. It's not like they said, we'll waive something no one waives and allow the NCAA to do whatever they want to do to us.


in any case, it's not like I heard it through the grapevine, I have close family who are close to the staff and I'm not going to use what they say as hearsay.

Take it any way you want. I was just giving some real info on the subject. I think it's alot better than reading about the 1000th time some ESPN or NY Times shmuck said OSU paid Jesse Owens to run track, if you know what I mean
 
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The Division I Committee on Infractions agreed with and approved of the actions taken by the institution. In striking contrast to its behavior in 1994, the institution has now been diligent and conscientiousness in its pursuit of information relating to potential NCAA violations that were committed at a time clearly beyond the statute of limitations. In consideration of the significant and meaningful self-imposed sanctions, the committee decided not to impose additional penalties, not to obligate the institution to forfeit its 1991 NCAA Division I-AA Football Championship as would normally be required in accordance with Bylaw 31.2.2.4, and not to require the institution to reimburse funds resulting from participation in this championship, as set forth in NCAA Bylaw 31.2.2.5.
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lightningrod, i didn't see anything in there that leads me to believe the statue of limitations had been waived. am i missing it? i find it hard to believe anyone would ever do such a thing to begin with...

first off, tOSU is in the clear on this one. the best they could do is go after tressel. you can't hold tOSU responsible for something that happened at youngstown. either way, im not to conscerned about this. even if they can prove a history of bad behavior, they still need evidence of current wrongdoing to punish anyone. this can point them in the right direction to finding evidence. but in and of itself isn't.
 
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you cant hold the ohio state university or tressel responsible for what happened at ysu....

but you are missing something here.....pieces of a puzzle are being assembled....pieces that were lost before.....you cant put the whole puzzle together if three pieces are lost behind the tv.....now if you find those pieces....????
 
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DiHard said:
you cant hold the ohio state university or tressel responsible for what happened at ysu....
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you "might" be able to hold tressel responsible. if he was involved in wrongdoing then he could be held responsible along with ysu. but we are assuming that the statute of limitations hasn't kicked in. im still not buying the waived arguements.

but you are missing something here.....pieces of a puzzle are being assembled....pieces that were lost before.....you cant put the whole puzzle together if three pieces are lost behind the tv.....now if you find those pieces....????
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at this point i have to assume geiger is't lieing through his teeth. i don't think you let delany take a stand with you if there is any possibility you are guilty. imo the consiquences of doing so are more severe than anything the NCAA can do.
 
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