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NCAA Football Tradition Ranking

I also think that alumni or number of current students should be added to the equasion.
to make it fair you would have to base it on population of the town/city or even state and find a percentage from there... or I could just be talking out of my ass right now :biggrin:
 
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Folanator said:
"4. Stadium capacity?"

It might be more tue to have the % of tickets sold or % of games sold out rather than just the number of seats. Minny or Syracuse has the dome, but I would not put them in the top of that catagory just because of the number of seats.
Good point. And doesn't Tulane play in the Super Dome? Or whatever the dome is in New Orleans? I'd be surprised if they sell that stadium out.

But the problem that I see with your idea is that a team like Suck-Hole Technical Institute for the Flying Monkeys, who might have a 3,500-seat stadium, might sell out every game, and have sold out for the past 5,000 games. Should they get more points in this category than, say, Tennessee, who has a 105,000+ stadium (give or take), but they average (I'm guessing) 98% capacity for the past 10 years?

I see strengths and weaknesses in both ideas of stadium size and attendance percentage.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Try these links for college football info and rankings:

RSFC Homepage

College Football Data Warehouse

Billingsley's All-Time Teams

BTW, Associated Press began its poll in 1936, so you might want to use that year as the beginning of your data base.
www.nationalchamps.net is also a good place to go, has an all-time database which includes national titles, partial national titles, season and career records, bowl game record along with the score and opponent, and coaches and their record while at the University.
 
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FadeproofBuck said:
www.nationalchamps.net is also a good place to go, has an all-time database which includes national titles, partial national titles, season and career records, bowl game record along with the score and opponent, and coaches and their record while at the University.
if you are looking for freebies - nationalchamps.net isn't the place to go. they just started charging $7.99 or something like that. kinda bummed when i saw that. it was also a good place to find future schedules.
 
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How about individual player accomplishments such as all time passing leaders, single season leaders, single game leaders, etc? I know part of that would be included with Heismans and other awards, but for instance Barry Sanders would only contribute one Heisman season to Okie State but obviously he had more than just that one great year that added to the teams tradition. Also, it would add value to some of the great seasons that never won a Heisman or national award.

It may be fairly difficult to incorporate this but just throwing out an idea.

HD
 
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adding weight for first round draft picks would probably help sort out some of the middle of the pack teams... of course USC, Neutered Lame, and Ohio State are the top three...

i like the famous coaches angle: Woody Hayes, John Pont, Ara Parsegian, Bo Schembechler, Sid Gillman, and someone else i forget all got their starts at the same school: Miami (OH)... that HAS to count for something...
 
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Hmmm...only counting national championships since 1940. That would reduce a certain team north of y'all from 11 championships to what, just two?

Nice one, but I'm on to you. :wink2:

Most people are in agreement as to who the top 10 teams of all time are. Just look at the all time in wins and all time winning percentage. You will see the same ten teams. The problem is how to rank them. They all have various strengths.

I think Notre Dame, Michigan, and Alabama are probably still in the top 3. Then you have a group comprised of Oklahoma, USC, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Texas. Tennessee and Penn State bring up the rear just because they have a lower winning percentage and less championships than the others.

One thing I look at is dynasties. If you have had one truly great coaching dynasty, it is not nearly as impressive as schools that have had multiple ones. Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Oklahoma, and USC have had at least two periods of true national dominance, sometimes three or four.

On the other hand, Nebraska (Osborne), Ohio State (Hayes), Texas (Royal), Penn State (Paterno), and Tennessee (Neyland) are all basically defined by one great coaching dynasty.

For what its worth, here is a ranking of coaching dynasties I compiled based on a formula I created combining winning percentage and duration. I only used "peak" years for the list, i.e. the years that gave each coach his maximum possible score:

1. Tom Osborne, Nebraska (1973-97), 3.40
2. Bear Bryant, Alabama (1959-81), 3.23
3. Joe Paterno, Penn State (1968-99), 3.18
4. Bobby Bowden, Florida State (1977-2000), 2.97
5. General Bob Neyland, Tennessee (1926-52), 2.71
6. Henry Doc Williams, Minnesota (1900-17), 2.69
7. Bud Wilkinson, Oklahoma (1948-58), 2.45
8. Knute Rockne, Notre Dame (1918-30), 2.35
9. Fielding Yost, Michigan (1901-13), 2.32
10. Barry Switzer, Oklahoma (1973-87), 2.19
11. Dan McGugh, Vanderbilt (1904-30), 2.13
12. Bo Schembechler, Michigan (1969-89), 2.02
13. Amos Alonzo Stagg, Chicago (1895-1913), 1.98
14. George Woodruff, Pennsylvania (1892-1900), 1.92
15. Frank Thomas, Alabama (1931-45), 1.89
16. Jack Sutherland, Pittsburgh (1925-38), 1.84
17. Woody Hayes, Ohio State (1954-77), 1.80
18. Darrell Royal, Texas (1959-75), 1.79
19. John Vaught, Mississippi (1952-63), 1.78
20. Frank Kush, Arizona State (1959-75), 1.67
21. Frank Leahy, Notre Dame (1941-49), 1.58
22. Red Blaik, Army (1944-50), 1.55
23. Howard Jones, USC (1925-33), 1.55
24. John McKay, USC (1962-75), 1.54
25. Ara Parseghian, Notre Dame (1964-74), 1.50
 
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borna'horn said:
Hmmm...only counting national championships since 1940. That would reduce a certain team north of y'all from 11 championships to what, just two?

Nice one, but I'm on to you. :wink2:

Seeing as the AP poll didn't come into existance until 1936, championships prior to then are just guesswork at best. The fact it dilutes Michigan's title count down to two in just gravy. :biggrin:
 
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TO me it seems like the 1940 cutoff is a little too arbitrary...it includes the war years, which were not exactly peak years of college sports...I think you should cut it off to be post-war or post-1950
 
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ntd said:
TO me it seems like the 1940 cutoff is a little too arbitrary...it includes the war years, which were not exactly peak years of college sports...I think you should cut it off to be post-war or post-1950
My understanding of college football is that the '40's was the peak of Army-Navy (many people were in the armed forces, so the Army and Navy could choose from a more elite group to pick their teams). That's when the Army-Navy game meant something more than "which team will end with only 7 losses this year?" To cut these years out is to say to these two teams that their glory years meant nothing to the history of college football.
 
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borna'horn said:
1. Tom Osborne, Nebraska (1973-97), 3.40
2. Bear Bryant, Alabama (1959-81), 3.23
3. Joe Paterno, Penn State (1968-99), 3.18
4. Bobby Bowden, Florida State (1977-2000), 2.97
5. General Bob Neyland, Tennessee (1926-52), 2.71
6. Henry Doc Williams, Minnesota (1900-17), 2.69
7. Bud Wilkinson, Oklahoma (1948-58), 2.45
8. Knute Rockne, Notre Dame (1918-30), 2.35
9. Fielding Yost, Michigan (1901-13), 2.32
10. Barry Switzer, Oklahoma (1973-87), 2.19
11. Dan McGugh, Vanderbilt (1904-30), 2.13
12. Bo Schembechler, Michigan (1969-89), 2.02
13. Amos Alonzo Stagg, Chicago (1895-1913), 1.98
14. George Woodruff, Pennsylvania (1892-1900), 1.92
15. Frank Thomas, Alabama (1931-45), 1.89
16. Jack Sutherland, Pittsburgh (1925-38), 1.84
17. Woody Hayes, Ohio State (1954-77), 1.80
18. Darrell Royal, Texas (1959-75), 1.79
19. John Vaught, Mississippi (1952-63), 1.78
20. Frank Kush, Arizona State (1959-75), 1.67
21. Frank Leahy, Notre Dame (1941-49), 1.58
22. Red Blaik, Army (1944-50), 1.55
23. Howard Jones, USC (1925-33), 1.55
24. John McKay, USC (1962-75), 1.54
25. Ara Parseghian, Notre Dame (1964-74), 1.50
Interesting ranking. How can you justify ranking Bo (with zero NC's) above Woody and John McKay, who each have several NC's?
 
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