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NCAA Basketball Investigation/Lawsuit Thread (merged)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Basketball' started by OSUBasketballJunkie, Feb 18, 2005.

  1. OSUBasketballJunkie

    OSUBasketballJunkie Never Forget 31-0

    In an attempt to consolidate any and all articles involving the ongoing NCAA investigation into our men's program, please post any relevant arcticles in this thread.


    I think that is a very true statement, I always liked coach O'Brien and respected him, but what he did has put the program in jeapordy and that is something that should not be forgiven in my opinion, regardless of his own moral beliefs and what the intent was.
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2006
  2. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    I'm not sure of the merits of the case, but I'd like to avoid a trial.
  3. gost8

    gost8 Living and loving life

    I might be reading all these stories wrong... but it sounds like to me that the money was paid to the recruit's mother after it was already known that the recruit could not play in the NCAA. I don't understand this as a violation.
  4. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    From everything I heard, OBrien is a public figurehead masquerading as the bad guy here. I think we actually suspended ourselves due to some sort of impropriety back in the final four era. And the NCAA is happy enough to let this count as our punishment apparently.

    I'm worried O'Brien might have a case, which would drag up the past and make things even worse.
  5. gost8

    gost8 Living and loving life

    Shame it has to happen to a great team that had NOTHING to do with it though. These kids want to go to the touneys so bad. If we played some good D like we have, the team could win a couple games in March.
  6. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    did i miss something? didnt he pay a recruit? isnt that THE NCAA no-no?

    its not in my contract that I dont come into work wearing a KKK outfit and shooting people with a BBgun....but if i did that i wouldnt have a case against the company when the fire my ass.
  7. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    He gave a loan to a recruit that was ruled to be a professional for life and ineligible forever, so in my book he gave a loan to a common person, which isn't really against the rules.
  8. Tipdogusaf

    Tipdogusaf Freshman

    Now thats funny. LMAO
  9. JCOSU86

    JCOSU86 Go Bucks! Staff Member

    You obviously didn't read page 47.

  10. Misanthrope

    Misanthrope Banned

    The timing is irrelevant because the nature and existence of the relationship was one of recruitment.

    The O'Brien infraction occurred in 1999, so it would fit that description.


    Unfortunately, it appears OSU specifically cited "major violations" as the only cause of action, and this hasn't risen to that level. Hmmm...I think if my coach wanted that restrictive language in the contract I would wonder why. Since it looks like Obie negotiated this deal after the payment, methinks he knew he might need that protection.

    He doesn't deserve a dime, but it'll probably be best for OSU to just reach a settlement and move on - we don't need the negative publicity.
  11. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    I have a question about the timing.

    The original AP story indicated that:

    a) The violation was a $6,000 payment O’Brien made to Aleksandar Radojevic, a 7-foot-3-inch center from Yugoslavia — and a friend of Savovic’s — who signed a national letter of intent with Ohio State in November 1998 while at Barton County Community College in Kansas.

    b) Radojevic never enrolled at Ohio State.

    c) In May 1999, the NCAA ruled Radojevic ineligible for accepting $13,000 in 1997 from a Yugoslavian club team for which he played two games. He was drafted in the NBA draft a few weeks later.

    d) Geiger said that he only was informed of the payment 24 April 2004 and O'Brien was fired 7 June 2004. "He said that he was informing me because he was certain that it would be disclosed as a part of the lawsuit," Geiger said. "The coach explained to me that he gave (Radojevic) the money because he was concerned about the Radojevic family in Yugoslavia. Alex’s father passed away on Sept. 8, 1998, his mother was unable to work due to disability, and Alex has two sisters and a brother. . . . It was intended that Alex would send the money home to his family."

    O’Brien’s attorney said that if the money "got there at all, it was after he was declared ineligible. If that was the case, then it would not be a violation."

    Geiger said O’Brien realized he violated NCAA rules by giving Radojevic money.

    "He admitted that he knew that he did, and a couple of weeks ago he offered to resign. I told him that as early as it was in our (investigation), that he should get very good advice and then make his judgment. Our next conversation about it was today."

    Whether or not the money, which isn't a large amount, got to the parents or not is irrelevant, its when the payment was made that is important. My questions are as follows: 1) If O'Brien didn't get back from the Final Four until about the 1st of April and Ohio State moves as slowly as it did on contracts, then is appears to be very possible that he negotiated with OSU in bad faith, knowing very well that he had violated NCAA rules and hid this payment. What would that do to Ohio State's position in the courts? and 2) Is O'Brien arguing that he gave this kid money after he declared for the NBA draft and knew he would have a good payday within a few weeks?

    This all just doesn't seem very plausible to me.?!?!?

    Here is a sports law take on O'Brien's contract at the time and it is interesting that there is so much emphasis on his dismissal back then:
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2005
  12. Beenthere77

    Beenthere77 Newbie

    The silver lining in this is if O'brien wins then that means no major violations and or sanctions for the Bucks.:roll2:
  13. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    Maybe not. O'Brien's contention is that Ohio State had to wait until the major violation was declared before they fired him. He could still win his case even if the NCAA declare this a major violation, so long as it is after he was fired, which it would have to be.
  14. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    Go fuck yourself Obrien. Hopefully the rest of your coaching career is a failure.
  15. IrontonBuck

    IrontonBuck Walk On

    That's what I think. I think he gave the kid money AFTER he was ruled ineligible to play in the NCAA. Was it a violation anyway? I don't know, but if this turns out to be the case, and O'Brien wins, it will make Ohio State and Geiger look TOO cautious, and TOO worried about the rules. Just the opposite of what is being alleged now. I think if O'Brien is right, he deserves his money, and I have no ill feelings toward him.

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