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NBA vs. NFL?

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No way.

I've listened to a lot of talk radio on this subject the last few weeks, especially in Phoenix since the Cardinals are finally winning a few games.

Phoenix has been an NBA town since the Suns originated back in the late 60's. Even though the Cardinals arrived in 1988, Phoenix would not get fully behind them because the Bidwell family sucks and the Bidwells would rather make money than put a respectable football team on the field.

Now that the Cardinals are putting together a winning season, they are taking some limelight away from the Suns. Phoenix might turn into a Cardinals town in the next few years if the Cardinals play at a decently high level and the Suns start to decline which we all think they will.

I think it was Colin Cowherd who said there are only 2 cities in the nation that are NBA over NFL cities, Phoenix and LA (when they had the Rams or Raiders). Every other place that has a football team is a football city.

Football is a stronger product than basketball.

I can't imagine the Cavaliers being more popular in Cleveland than the Browns.

I can't imagine the Wizards ever being more popular than the Redskins.

You can say the same thing about every other big city that has a football team.

Globally, the NBA might get stronger than the NFL, but not in the USA.
 
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reagdog;1322859; said:
No way.

I've listened to a lot of talk radio on this subject the last few weeks, especially in Phoenix since the Cardinals are finally winning a few games.

Phoenix has been an NBA town since the Suns originated back in the late 60's. Even though the Cardinals arrived in 1988, Phoenix would not get fully behind them because the Bidwell family sucks and the Bidwells would rather make money than put a respectable football team on the field.

Now that the Cardinals are putting together a winning season, they are taking some limelight away from the Suns. Phoenix might turn into a Cardinals town in the next few years if the Cardinals play at a decently high level and the Suns start to decline which we all think they will.

I think it was Colin Cowherd who said there are only 2 cities in the nation that are NBA over NFL cities, Phoenix and LA (when they had the Rams or Raiders). Every other place that has a football team is a football city.

Football is a stronger product than basketball.

I can't imagine the Cavaliers being more popular in Cleveland than the Browns.

I can't imagine the Wizards ever being more popular than the Redskins.

You can say the same thing about every other big city that has a football team.

Globally, the NBA might get stronger than the NFL, but not in the USA.
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That's a good case. I guess the only argument on the NBA's side, is they lost a lot of cities over the last 5-8 years. The NBA was so bad after Jordan left that the NFL really took hold. I think, potentially, with a rebirth of the NBA, some cities could become NBA cities again. And the NFL could continue to make bad more bad decesions and push fans to other options.

I couldn't ever imagine, me, making a case for the NBA...but after watching Jarred Allen and Justin Tuck get fined 2 weekends ago, I've had enough. The head of the Rules Commitee for the NFL also stated, "when it comes to player safety rules, if the official is unsure, I want them to throw the flag." That type of attitude is destroying NFL football.

It's tough to name particular cities that could become NBA oriented but a list nonetheless. Keep in mind, many NFL cities don't have NBA teams and vice versa.

LA
Boston
Memphis
Orlando
All things being eqaul, Chicago s a Bears town, but the Bulls owned Chicago during Jordan/Pippen.
Detroit has been a Pistons city for a long time
Cleveland has the potential of becoming a CAVS town. A lot depends on if LeBron resigns. If LeBron ever wins a title it's his city, IMO.
Portland
If the Knicks ever got their [censored] together, NY has been an NBA city
Phoenix has been an NBA city
Houston is a Rockets city
San Antonio

I think it helps the NBA a lot of franchises are placed in cities without NFL teams....
 
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No way. Fantasy is best in football due to the schedule. It really makes it easy. One game a week.
College football is more popular than college basketball.
The NFL draft is bigger than the NBA draft.
It's just never going to happen.
 
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DaytonBuck;1322846; said:
Is this for the US or the world?
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Good question DaytonBuck.

Do you know what NBA team has the most fans (worldwide)? Answer: No it is not the Lakers, Celtics or the Bulls, it is the Houston Rockets Note: Everyone in China that knows anything about basketball likes Yao Ming and the Rockets, etc. The Chinese watch the Rocket games on Chinese TV.

billmac91;1322848; said:
Predominately the US.

I think it helps the health of the league that the world has become more involved though. It increases the level of play and overall interest.
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American style football will always be the king in the United States.
 
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JXC;1322866; said:
No way. Fantasy is best in football due to the schedule. It really makes it easy. One game a week.
College football is more popular than college basketball.
The NFL draft is bigger than the NBA draft.
It's just never going to happen.
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Fantasy football is not easier when Yahoo tells you a guy isn't going to play, and then three hours later you're watching him go for 110 yards and two TDs.

Baseball was once bigger than football. I don't think "never" is the right word.
 
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jlb1705;1324179; said:
Fantasy football is not easier when Yahoo tells you a guy isn't going to play, and then three hours later you're watching him go for 110 yards and two TDs.

Baseball was once bigger than football. I don't think "never" is the right word.
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I think "never" is strong as well...I guess it's debateable, but I think NBA was king during Jordan's run. Less than 10 years ago...
 
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No.

Basketball playoffs are painful.

Which reminds me of an outstanding commentary by Frank Deford from NPR awhile back which addresses how bad NBA playoffs are:

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Sweetness And Light

by Frank Deford



In NBA Playoffs, May Only the Best Teams Play

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April 2, 2008 ? In some sports, notably with children, there is something called the "mercy rule," which stipulates that if one team gets so many points ahead of its outclassed opponent, the game is officially concluded at that point, out of sympathy for the poor, no-chance loser. I believe there should also be mercy rules for fans, too.

Specifically, no team in any sport should be inflicted upon fans in the playoffs if it has not had a winning percentage during the regular season. Presently for example, three perfectly awful teams in the Eastern Conference of the NBA are, in the words of those chronicling the action, fighting or scrapping for the eighth and last playoff spot.
No fan deserves to suffer such playoff travesty. Please. Sorry ? if you don't win more games than you lose, you gotta go home.

It is all the more unfair for bums in one conference to become playoff fodder when other more qualified teams in the other conference are sent home, the sad victims of geography-ism. The NBA West, for example, is loaded with good teams. In fact, it's a strange coincidence how unbalanced all three of our popular team sports are. Never in baseball history, I would venture, has one league been so vastly superior to the other. The American League now appears to be the only major league. And in the NFL, the American Conference is much the better.
Paradoxically, though, this lopsidedness doesn't always result in a team from the better conference winning the championship. And although the NBA West is so top-heavy this year, the Boston Celtics may well be the best club of all. It doesn't hurt during the regular season to be the big fish in a small pond.

And while we're yet in the midst of March Madness, may I dare venture to say that the NBA ? and the National Hockey League, too ? both conduct their post-season stupidly. They have patterned their playoffs after baseball, by having teams compete in seven-game series. That's crazy. Series are common to baseball. They are not to basketball and hockey, where teams play only one game at a time against each opponent during the season.

Series succeed in baseball, because a variety of pitchers are used, making each game somewhat different. In basketball and hockey, though, a series becomes stultifyingly reminiscent of what Edna St. Vincent Millay said: "It's not true that life is one damn thing after another ? it's one damn thing over and over."

The NBA should start its playoffs with Olympic-style round robins in the various divisions, finishing up with a knockout Final Four, just like the colleges do. Yes, it would mean sacrificing several home gates, but when elimination is so imminent, when it's one game and out, as it is in the NFL, the World Cup, the Olympics, it concentrates the mind of the fan. An NBA Final Four would bring far more attention and drama ? and ultimately more television money ? to the NBA than its current drawn-out Edna St. Vincent Millay series. Less really can be more.

And also, don't let rotten teams into the playoffs. Please.
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Fantasy football is not easier when Yahoo tells you a guy isn't going to play, and then three hours later you're watching him go for 110 yards and two TDs.
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Then why don't folks play fantasy basketball?
Baseball was once bigger than football. I don't think "never" is the right word.
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Perhaps a bit too strong, but I don't think basketball can take back control. The NFL will ahve to lose it, consistently, over many major mistakes/blunders to surrender their substantial lead.
 
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mross34;1324172; said:
Fantasy sports is the difference maker here.

Fantasy basketball is being played by more and more devoted basketball fans.

Fantasy football is getting non-football fans into football.
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I believe that legal (and illegal) betting on the NFL games is the real difference maker. However, I guess if money is at stake "fantasy sports" can be a form of gambling. :biggrin:
 
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I think "never" is strong as well...I guess it's debateable, but I think NBA was king during Jordan's run. Less than 10 years ago...
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The NBA playoffs (pre-finals) stay around 9 million (or far less recently).​
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The NFL conference finals averaged 49.7 million viewers last year. 45 million the year before.​
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