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crazybuckfan40
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LitlBuck;831875; said:
I believe once you start you must finish...
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methomps;831866; said:
Dropouts and poor academics should indeed count against the APR, no doubt, because they demonstrate at least a degree of culpability on part of the athletic department for not encouraging the student athlete to hit the books or stay in school. However, transferring to another university (where their education will continue) and leaving early for the NBA (a great employment opportunity, and preparing students for gameful employment is a main focus of a college education) should not.
If a student athlete screws off academically or drops out while on scholarship then sure, the school should get some blame. However, going to another school--for whatever reason--or declaring for a professional in which your scholarship is being paid, should not.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Given the crapshoot that is the NFL Draft it might not seem fair. Then again Walker did probably hear that his prospects were not that good at some point.methomps;831881; said:
Perhaps a try it and then return window would have helped Walker (and ND) - a don't sign with an agent method of testing the waters.
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methomps;831881; said:
The school shouldn't get punished because the student is pursuing employment in the field in which the scholarship was granted. Say a student with an aceademic scholarship in civil engineering gets hired by a big construction firm before he graduates...would you consider that a "dropout"?
The bottom line is that the NCAA's main concern--supposedly--is to make sure that schools don't recruit kids solely for their athletic abilities and who have no real chance/intention of making it through academics-wise. If it weren't for the NCAA, then all the schools would be recruiting C- and D students to go to their college only for those kids to fail miserably in college because they aren't academically suited or motivated (and thus not have a degree if they don't go pro). Now, if the NCAA's main concern really is to have student athletes who attend class and meet academic requirements while under scholarship, they shouldn't punish school whose athletes transfer or decalre early while otherwise meeting academic requirements.
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Some good comments in this thread.
I'm not sure if Litlbuck's comments were in response to my earlier post. If so, then I would like to point out that my post wasn't in response to the three freshmen leaving.
In response to Mili, cbf40 and I are in agreement, when I said count as a graduation, I should have more clearly said that someone leaving for the NBA shouldn't count against APR.
Finally, picking up on methomps comments, I think it would be a relatively easy matter to police APR and players going to the NBA. A rule could easily be made and policed that requires players who declare to be (a) signed by an NBA team in the year that they declare and (b) to play for them until such time as they normally would have graduated had they continued in university. If, on the other hand, a player is not drafted or signed, then (c) that rule could allow them to come back to the university from which they declared for the NBA draft and to play for that team another year.
I'm not sure if Litlbuck's comments were in response to my earlier post. If so, then I would like to point out that my post wasn't in response to the three freshmen leaving.
In response to Mili, cbf40 and I are in agreement, when I said count as a graduation, I should have more clearly said that someone leaving for the NBA shouldn't count against APR.
Finally, picking up on methomps comments, I think it would be a relatively easy matter to police APR and players going to the NBA. A rule could easily be made and policed that requires players who declare to be (a) signed by an NBA team in the year that they declare and (b) to play for them until such time as they normally would have graduated had they continued in university. If, on the other hand, a player is not drafted or signed, then (c) that rule could allow them to come back to the university from which they declared for the NBA draft and to play for that team another year.
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tibor75
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You can't make exceptions for the draft, because any player who is old enough can declare for the draft. Heck, your walk on 3rd string center could declare for the draft if he wanted. In fact, you might want him to if he was going to drop out.
No exceptions. Not for Greg Odens who correctly leave after 1 year. And none for Dequan Cooks.
No exceptions. Not for Greg Odens who correctly leave after 1 year. And none for Dequan Cooks.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Just so it is clear. Hypothetical.tibor75;831984; said:
Conley declares for the draft, yet does not sign with an agent. He stays in classes, then decides for whatever reason before the final cut-off in June to come back to Ohio State - you would allow his return despite his prior draft declaration?
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jimotis4heisman
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maybe im wrong but i thought if a kid left in "good academic standing" aka eligible that he counted as 1/2, and was not calculated in the apr that is used to remove scholies? wrong, right? thomps arent you the expert of was that ws?
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