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Motherf***ing irresponsible journalism

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by vrbryant, Nov 6, 2004.

  1. vrbryant

    vrbryant Ever thus to ____ers Staff Member

    ESPN's crack staff (Bob Davie, Holly Rowe and some other douche) has twice now directly implied that Lydell Ross was found guilty of those accusations, once even saying that he admitted to doing so.

    Somebody please tell these shiteating dickfucks what every other intelligent person read in the national news, that Lydell was cleared. Please. Before I track them all down and cut their throats.
  2. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    No surprise to me.

    You don't see ESPN doing "One and Done" articles about Adrian Peterson. Columbus has its own problem with local media being hostile and bloodthirsty towards the program, national media picks up on that and amplifies it.

    I'd rather see you start with some of the local writers who are "beyond reproach" and work your way up to the ESPN guys.
  3. ysubuck

    ysubuck Be water my friend.

    Here, here!!

    Munch comes to mind. Bruce Hooley, Doug Harris...
  4. iambrutus

    iambrutus Screw Blue

    what about the number of times that they couldn't get the names right, called Holmes Ginn a few times, or how they said that Diet Scum was playing bad b/c they were still upset by last week (had nothing to do with our D playing really well in the 1st quarter)
  5. DEBuckeye

    DEBuckeye It ain't easy, bein' cheesy.

    The thing that irked me was not only did they mention the issue, but they would say that he was using "counterfit currency". With no explanation, it sounds like he was actually counterfitting money.

    And, as long as we're picking on them for screwing things up, Davie referred to the Cedar Red river that runs through MSU's campus- it's really the Red Cedar river; and then he said that Nuge kicked a 50+ FG to win against Northwestern (Marshall).

  6. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    Those guys really ticked off the garnet and gray today.
  7. Brutus1

    Brutus1 Don't be penurious, donate to the BP Spring Dr.

    How about Douche#2 saying "Hall was OSU's all time leading punt returner"
  8. Buckeyehead

    Buckeyehead Banned

    I caught that one, too.

    Nice to see these clowns do a little - very little - research on the games they cover.
  9. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    They were correcting themselves so much today, when they did catch their mistakes, that it made me think they were a last minute substitution for this game.
  10. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    i will say again that my brother is friends with a head coach of one of the two big sports at ou.....

    my brother is flat out amazed at the difference in reporting between the oklahoma press and the ohio press......we are talking 180 degrees....

    the ohio press (insert girlie tim may laugh here) looks for dirt, while the oklahoma press hides issues and glorifies the program.....which is right and which is wrong is your opinion.....
  11. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    I'm surprised that this isn't an issue that comes up much more often. The hostility of the local CBus/OH media towards our program is something I've never grown accustomed to. Had never seen anything like it before, and haven't since.

    Not suggesting they should turn a blind eye to everything, but take the whole Clarett debacle, local media was all over that in a very parasitic but still predatory manner. Did we really need live tv coverage of him getting evicted from his apartment? Did we really need the local talking heads explaining how they felt the university was being less than honest when they ruled no foul on the test issue? Did they need to dig up and relay every single rumor and put it out there to be picked up for bigger outlets whether or not it was true?

    I wish I had my laptop back, because I still have a series of emails I traded with first CNN, then ESPN, then ONN, then a local Cleveland TV network. I saw a story that had an absolute misrepresentation of fact as the 'news' on CNN. Tracked down the writer and found out he got it from an ESPN article. Dropped a guy I trade emails with there a line, who found the original link on ONN where they picked the story up from. Contacted the reporter at ONN, had a long conversation with him where he freely admitted he was horrified that they ran with it without checking it, and gave me the link to some Cleveland station (or maybe paper?) where he picked up the story from. Never managed to get to the idiot who wrote the original back in Cleveland, but got a boilerplate apology letter from someone in their organization saying they regretted that the story wasn't based on fact. I told them they need to get the apology and retraction spread as far and wide as their lie did. No response.

    But that's how it happens. Someone in the local media slings some shit. And someone on a slightly higher tier picks that up and runs with it. After all, if it's in the media, it HAS to be true! Rather than waste time checking facts, they just cite a source. Easier, faster, less mess! Then someone higher picks up on it and does the same thing. Then someone national. Next thing you know, an outright fabrication is now national news, and the sheep reading it absorb it as plain and simple fact.

    This is EXACTLY why I took BNuts to task when they started making a habit of writing articles (SH) calling the administration liars about the Clarett issue. Or publishing front page news (MrB) that a kid like [strike]Youboty[/strike][sup]1[/sup] edit: SirJo Welch had his scholarship pulled. We've all seen media outlets pull stories (as unbelievable as this is) from forums and fan sites. But the problem OSU has with the media isn't on the national level, it's on the local level. And the local writers and reporters (and the fan sites) are the ones people should be lighting a HUGE fire under.

    Unfortunately, I don't know if we can though, because we've (collectively) built up a reputation for flaming any member of the media any time they say something even objectively negative about us. When Ivan Maisel writes that we send hatemail to him in crayon, any possibility of legitimate complaints carrying any weight went out the window a long time ago.

    One wonders if the Clarett situation would have played out differently at Nebraska, Oklahoma, USC, Texas, Florida State, Miami or another major national program where the media is a little less hungry to sell papers at the expense of the program. Which doesn't mean they don't write heavier on negatives than they do positives, but none of those schools (in my opinion) have to deal with the level of willingness OH reporters have to boost their own careers by trying to sling mud.

    Here's another way to look at it all. I had a friend who doesn't follow college ball, who lives in Florida, comment to me not long ago when the subject of the high concentration of festering anuses working as "journalists" came up, that he felt that the Clarett situation made much more news and drew much more attention nationally than the multiple rape allegations, suspensions and and lawsuits at Colorado. Lol, think about that for a minute.

    Whew, glad that's off my chest. Now I can move on to getting pissy about something else.

    [sup]1[/sup] - Nutty corrected me, it was Welch, not Youboty. Good call. The point still stands (the point being that irresponsible "journalism" locally leads to the thrashing we take nationally), but appreciated the correction.
  12. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    spot on clarity......

    and that is why i got banned from that hell-hole.....i told them that we wrote their stories for them.....they were inaccurate and we (the now bpers) had the real information....

    and after steve a goofy fuck... and others stole our ideas and presented them as "new" information it was over.....

    now they are left inspecting each others dingleberry's instead of having real information.....

    now i feel better too......babbs fucking bits were becoming a compilation of my opinions the past week....
  13. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    I never so much worried or cared about where they got their stories. I gave Lee a little shit because his "fan vs. supporter" article was nearly verbatim from a post I made every year on the site, but sometimes things we say can innocently influence other's thoughts and words. I didn't feel like he was direct ripping from me, just that when "fan vs. supporter" came to mind, whether or not he remembered my post, it influenced his article significantly. Which in a way is sort of a compliment.

    Never really had a problem with Babb. Don't know if he's paid or not, but he was one of the few who put out articles for the non-subscribers. Even when I was a subscriber, I felt like that was a good thing. I think he's an example of a poster that they just turned into a "writer". Which is to say that yes, that's how his works read as well, and no question they're influenced by things on the forums.

    Not defending him or them, just saying that I'd never have had a problem if all BNuts was doing was leeching content from their forums for the front page, it was the taking of less-than-objective stances and using their front page as a platform for their own bias and rhetoric. Even then that wouldn't have been too bad, had they the integrity to come out after and admit that they were wrong. I value that in people, everyone screws up, it's all about who can own up to that and try to improve based on the mistake. BNuts route was to cover up, not own up, and that's why it was turned into an issue.

    But, lest this end up in Inter-Forum BS (and I don't want it to, because it's a good issue, and only in the loosest sense related to Bucknuts), I submit that the big issue here, and the one that more people should be talking about, is something you have indeed mentioned before. And something I agree with entirely. There is a hostile atmosphere in Columbus and the whole of Ohio, that other schools do not have to endure. I wouldn't want the media to cover shit up, but it would be nice if they wouldn't go to extremes to try and dig shit up either. Digging to the point of fabrication, or running with unconfirmed slop as fact...

    If some of those same writers and reporters moved to LA, Lincoln, Tallahassee, Ann Arbor, etc., and tried the same shit, they'd be strung up on flag poles by their underwear and people would throw flaming feces at them.

    In OH, it's the status quo.

    So, message to Doug Harris, Steve Helwagen, Bruce Hooley and the rest of the beyond reproachables in OH -- just report the facts, fuckwits. If you want to write an editorial, then do so and label it as such. But stop blending news with your opinion, because I want the former, and care as much about the latter as I do the stuff I blow from my nose.

  14. vrbryant

    vrbryant Ever thus to ____ers Staff Member

    Another thing I've begun to notice (on a national level) is the focus the broadcasts have had on our opponent's players and coaches. Perhaps I'm being paranoid/nitpicky/whatever, but since the loss at NW, every game's collection of human interest stories, interviews and little nuggets of info have been all about the other team. The Iowa game was a great example, and the MSU game ... euhhh. "Holly's with Drew Stanton -- ask him how he's working through his injury. When you're done, pile some more shit on Lydell Ross!"

    I don't know. Maybe I'm imagining it.
  15. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    I routinely just brush it all off figuring I must just have a persecution complex as a Buckeye fan. But when you find constant examples of what's eating at you, you have to start to wonder if there isn't some merit to it. I think there is in this case.

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