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Miller vs Pryor vs Smith

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RugbyBuck;2217283; said:
I'd take Miller first Smith is on record as saying that Braxton will be better than he was and his skills are off of the charts and getting better.

Smith worked hard and overachieved until he won the Heisman.

Pryor underachieved given the ability he had.

Miller is already a better runner and passer than Pryor and can routinely do things that Smith could not.
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I think Pryor was a lot better of a passer at this point in his sophomore year than Braxton is now. I think Braxton is ahead of Pryor at running the football by a similar margin. Pryor never got any better at running, and I think Braxton can and will improve his passing.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2217199; said:
Obviously.

Because in the biggest game of Smith's career (2006 BCS championship game), he came up with the worst performance of his career (4 of 14 passing, 5 sacks, interception, fumble, 6 yards of total offense in a 41-14 loss).

And in the biggest game of Pryor's career (2010 Rose Bowl), he had arguably his best game (23 of 37 passing, 2 TDs, INT, 338 yards of total offense in a 26-17 win). Pryor followed that up with another huge game in the 2011 Sugar Bowl (14 of 25 passing, 2 TD, 336 yards of total offense in a 31-26 win).

Miller hasn't played in a big game yet, so he can't really be part of this discussion.


Pryor was clearly more productive than Smith for a longer period. Whether he was "better" than Smith is a matter of opinion. I say "yes", but I can understand the other side of the argument.
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I'd count the Michigan game last year as a big game and Braxton had one of his best performances that game (335 yards of total offense, 2 passing TDs and one rushing TD and 1 INT). It's not his fault the defense couldn't stop a wet paper bag.

Overall I agree with you though. Smith had some amazing games but he also had far more offensive talent than either Pryor or Miller. It's crazy to think that Smith was throwing to Gonzo, Holmes, and Ginn while having Pittman in the backfield all at once. Of course you could make the argument that Troy went up against far better competition than Pryor did.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2217295; said:
You really think Meyer is a better coach than Tressel?
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Regarding their overall tenure at Ohio State, it's an impossible question to answer for at least five years. I will say that when they lined up against each other with everything on the line and arguably more talent on Ohio State's sideline........

My gut tells me that along the way UFM will lose a game or two that Tresselball would have won. My gut also tells me that he'll win a few that JT would have lost by keeping things too tight.
 
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I had to take a step back and realize that Troy was throwing to not one, two, but three NFL 1st round WR's in 05'. :slappy:

If only the offense had more continuity and experience at QB (Smith)heading into the season. That bowl suspension hurt - I doubt Vince walks out of the Shoe with a W and we'd possibly win at State Penn.
 
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Buckeneye;2217406; said:
If only the offense had more continuity and experience at QB (Smith)heading into the season. That bowl suspension hurt - I doubt Vince walks out of the Shoe with a W and we'd possibly win at State Penn.
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Goddam I was drunk that day.

(and before you ask, the answer is yes)
 
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I think Pryor was a lot better of a passer at this point in his sophomore year than Braxton is now.
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I don't see this at all. Miller has more touch on his short to intermediate throws right now than Pryor ever did. Pryor's strength was the deep ball and Miller has already improved a good bit in that area. Last year he gunned every deep ball and we've seen several already that he has finessed in to the receiver. I view Miller as a much better passer than Pryor as a sophomore.
 
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Measuring everything by what an athlete could do on the field alone ignores what he does - positive and negative - off the field and in the locker room. I don't know how Pryor was perceived by his teammates, but I do know what his behavior cost Ohio State - having a Michigan game and a season voided is just the tip of the ice berg.

That seems unfortunately to also color the beginning and the end of Tressel's career, from MoC to Terrell. What he achieved on the field will be held up scrutiny by what happened off the field.
 
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Bill Lucas;2217429; said:
I don't see this at all. Miller has more touch on his short to intermediate throws right now than Pryor ever did. Pryor's strength was the deep ball and Miller has already improved a good bit in that area. Last year he gunned every deep ball and we've seen several already that he has finessed in to the receiver. I view Miller as a much better passer than Pryor as a sophomore.
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Agree to disagree
 
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Look at these numbers, and think about this:

In 3 Games in 2012, Braxton has amassed the following vs. his entire freshmen year:

56% of passed completed
50% of passed attempted
53% of the yardage
54% of the touchdowns thrown
50% of the interceptions thrown

35% of the rushing attempts
53% of the yardage
71% of the touchdowns

If that doesn't scream progression, I don't know what does. Come Michigan time, Braxton should be ready for >400yds of offense.
 
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Coqui;2217503; said:
Likewise the same could be said that Pryor has done things with his legs that Miller hasn't.
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True, but your point was that until Miller develops a stiff arm he's not in the same league as Pryor as a runner. I assert that he doesn't need a stiff arm because most of the time he leaves that one defender standing there with his jock in his hand while he is still running for more yards. Both are effective means to an end.
 
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