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Military Uniform Discussion (moved from Briles thread)

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There is no reason to wear camoflauge in public on home soil -- the citizenry is not the enemy.
Wearing inappropriate shit just to "look combat" or to boost your ego is far too prevalent, unfortunately. Unless you're in a jungle setting with at least some sort of threat from the enemy, no one in the military should be wearing camouflage on a daily basis. I also see a lot of fucks wearing desert camouflage uniforms on Hickam...last time I check, there aren't any major deserts in fucking Hawaii. The Air Force and Army need to bring back plain green fatigues. The worst are the desk-flying pilots--from all services--prancing around in their flight suits. Hey Colonel Buttfuck, are you on active flight status? No? Then get the fuck out of your flight suit...
 
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Wearing inappropriate [Mark May] just to "look combat" or to boost your ego is far too prevalent, unfortunately. Unless you're in a jungle setting with at least some sort of threat from the enemy, no one in the military should be wearing camouflage on a daily basis. I also see a lot of fucks wearing desert camouflage uniforms on Hickam...last time I check, there aren't any major deserts in fucking Hawaii. The Air Force and Army need to bring back plain green fatigues. The worst are the desk-flying pilots--from all services--prancing around in their flight suits. Hey Colonel Buttfuck, are you on active flight status? No? Then get the fuck out of your flight suit...

heh, the officers and their flight uniforms... yea, that is pretty bad. Nowhere would it be acceptable to wear the flightline overalls (exact same material diff color) ... even around base. But officers like their glorified pajamas.

Well you have to wear some kind of "work uniform" that you can get grease and shit on. So camo on base is perfectly fine... though I suppose we could argue if everyone should go to Navy's old dungarees or something like that.
On desert... they switched the uniform system such that personnel are now responsible for having desert camo. Went from 5 green to 5 total with at least 2 desert. At least Marines. So whereas when I deployed in 2002, they had to supply us with 4 sets of analog desert (incl the nametapes, and ironing EGAs on) -- when I deployed in 2004, we had to supply our own digital desert. So back in garrison, most units ended up having Woodland days and Desert days for 2 reasons:
- proof that you've got 'em
- not putting undue stress to essentially maintain 10 uniforms when you're only going to use 5. That shits expensive at $80 for 1 set... before the recession.
 
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Cammies/utilities have been the uniform of the day in the 'Corps for quite some time.
Not disputing that. Fact remains the Marines retained their Class A OD uniform along with dress blues and mess dress. The army has ACU, dress blues and mess dress. A huge jump from work/overalls to dress blues which were strictly for Battalion/Regiment dine in, weddings and funerals- I had to shell out $350 for dress blues that I wore exactly twice in my first four years of duty. Once for an ill thought out wedding.

When the army had class A's (green) and class B's (summer kahki shirt and trousers) you were not supposed to wear class C's (fatigues, BDU/ACU) anywhere off post.
 
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Not disputing that. Fact remains the Marines retained their Class A OD uniform along with dress blues and mess dress. The army has ACU, dress blues and mess dress. A huge jump from work/overalls to dress blues which were strictly for Battalion/Regiment dine in, weddings and funerals- I had to shell out $350 for dress blues that I wore exactly twice in my first four years of duty. Once for an ill thought out wedding.

When the army had class A's (green) and class B's (summer kahki shirt and trousers) you were not supposed to wear class C's (fatigues, BDU/ACU) anywhere off post.

I just want to know when they are going to the all black alternate uniforms?
 
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Well you have to wear some kind of "work uniform" that you can get grease and [Mark May] on. So camo on base is perfectly fine... though I suppose we could argue if everyone should go to Navy's old dungarees or something like that.
Fatigues. As far as the Navy goes, whatever their blue jeans and denim shirt combo is called, that's what a maintenance/worker troop should wear.

On desert... they switched the uniform system such that personnel are now responsible for having desert camo. Went from 5 green to 5 total with at least 2 desert. At least Marines. So whereas when I deployed in 2002, they had to supply us with 4 sets of analog desert (incl the nametapes, and ironing EGAs on) -- when I deployed in 2004, we had to supply our own digital desert. So back in garrison, most units ended up having Woodland days and Desert days for 2 reasons:
- proof that you've got 'em
- not putting undue stress to essentially maintain 10 uniforms when you're only going to use 5. That [Mark May]s expensive at $80 for 1 set... before the recession.
Still see no need to for wearing camos, desert or tropical, around base. Start issuing fatigues to everyone, or instead of issuing, have a phase-in period where troops use their clothing allowance to purchase fatigues over a several-year period. Troops then can "maintain" their camos by keeping them in the closet.
 
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Fatigues. As far as the Navy goes, whatever their blue jeans and denim shirt combo is called, that's what a maintenance/worker troop should wear.


Still see no need to for wearing camos, desert or tropical, around base. Start issuing fatigues to everyone, or instead of issuing, have a phase-in period where troops use their clothing allowance to purchase fatigues over a several-year period. Troops then can "maintain" their camos by keeping them in the closet.

Not sure it's blue jeans, but that's the dungarees. Don't think they wear those anymore either, Navy - like Air Force - have their own camo pattern these days.
Gotta blend in with the sea/sky and military gray carc paint... or something...
I always liked how the office desk Navy guys wore their khaki uniforms. Not sure if they still do that or went full camo... but always thought Marine admin should've gone the same route instead of trying to convince everyone they're "hardcore", "we're groundside, not airwing", etc.
 
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On base. And the strictest service on bans about wearing them out in public. So much so that it was a revelation when they allowed people to wear them to NFCU -- and only NFCU -- after working hours.

Yes and your point is? Cammies have been the working uniform for the majority of the 'Corps since Commandant Gray saw the advantage in fostering the warrior ethos. Train like you fight etc.

Whether or not you are authorized to wear them at Stuckeys & play pocket pool just like SPC Shitbag isn't really the point.

There is no reason to wear camoflauge in public on home soil -- the citizenry is not the enemy.

It's just a uniform.

We are prejudiced against wearing utilities out in town because it was pounded into our heads culturally. I think it looks tacky & I've given people hell about it over the years but that doesn't mean that it is actually a bad thing from an objective standpoint. It's little different than bickering with the doggies over which way sleeves should be rolled.

Let's not forget that Service Alphas were a combat uniform a hundred years ago and not long before, Dress Blues were being worn into battle.

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Not sure it's blue jeans, but that's the dungarees. Don't think they wear those anymore either, Navy - like Air Force - have their own camo pattern these days.

The Navy's NWU pattern is exactly the same as MARPAT (and CADPAT & UCP), just a different color palette.
 
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1. Thanks to BC Willie. Did not know that those were active duty folks on the sidelines at Baylor. I'd get up early and help set up at Ohio Stadium for a sideline pass, but I'd need to nap before cleaning the stadium.

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I know I watch certain games with scarlet tinted glasses, but am I the only one who sees more of what could be called "unsportsmanlike" conduct behavior on the part of Baylor than most other teams - Miami her-a-canes excepted - . One hit on a Sooner running back who was being held while second man lowered his head and went helmet-on-helmet would have gotten a 15 yarder, removal from game and suspension from the next game in the Big Ten, PAC12, or the ACC. Here it got nothing, even when the asshole then proceeded to verbally assault the runner.

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Dear NCAA and NFL, football is a tough game. One that takes skill, stamina and discipline, BUT it ain't even close to combat. Don't insult our forces and our veterans by dressing your teams and coaches in camo. Leave that to those who have earned the right to wear it.
 
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