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Military Recruiting Troubles...Would you join

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Both the Army and the Marines are falling well short of their recruiting needs. People are simply not joining. My question is, what is stopping you? We are at war and your nation needs you. Please don't take this as a recruitment pitch. I'm not trying to convince anyone to join. I really would like to know what your reasoning is for joining or not. Is it your career, age, lack of conviction, fear, etc. I guess what I'd like to hear is an honest explination of why you would or would not consider military service in this time of need.


Army's recruiting problems 'like having a persistent drought'

June 9, 2005

BY ROBERT BURNS





WASHINGTON -- The Army appears likely to fall short of its full-year recruiting goal for the first time since 1999, raising longer-term questions about a military embroiled in its first protracted wars since switching from the draft to a volunteer force 32 years ago.

Many young people and their parents have grown more wary of Army service because of the likelihood of being dispatched on combat tours to Iraq or Afghanistan, polls show. U.S. troops are dying at a rate of two a day in Iraq, more than two years after President Bush declared major combat operations had ended.

Officials said Wednesday that although the Army will not release its numbers until Friday, it fell about 25 percent short of its target of signing up 6,700 recruits in May. The gap would have been even wider but for the fact that the target was lowered by 1,350.

The Army said it lowered the May target to "adjust for changing market conditions," knowing that the difference will have to be made up in the months ahead.

The Army also missed its monthly targets in April, March and February -- each month worse than the one before.

"It's like having a persistent drought," said Daniel Goure, a military analyst at the private Lexington Institute. "At some point when you have drought conditions you have to institute water rationing, and that's what you potentially face in the military if it goes on long enough."

The Army National Guard and Army Reserve are even farther behind in recruiting this year.

AP
 
10 Reasons I haven't joined

1. I don't believe in killing
2. I'm a freeloader
3. I have problems following leaders blindly
4. I like not getting shot at
5. I'm old
6. I'm out of shape
7. I might miss football season
8. I don't care (see free loader)
9. Did I say I don't believe in Killing?
10. Yes, I'm a pussy. But I stand a good chance of seeing my kids grow up.

These are only 10 in many reason that you DO NOT want me next to you fighting whatever war you've been told to fight.

You don't want me on that wall, you don't need me on that wall.
 
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Been there and done that, which I would never go back in..

I have the Utmost respect for all who serve and to the ones that have paid the ultimate sacriced.

right now why would anyone join? just to get your ass shot at in Iraq
 
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max_sterling said:
What this article doesn't tell you is that re-enlistment is at an all time High.

I think that speaks pretty much for itself
No, actually it doesn't speak for itself. What really happens is that Soldiers are not allowed to ETS (get out of the service) when their unit is tagged to go to Iraq. Throw in a bonus for re-enlistment, and the Soldier just basically says "fuck it"...they won't let me get out right now anyway...might as well get a bonus out of it. I know guys who can't even retire (already over 20 years of service, but retirement paperwork denied) because of Iraq.
 
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Too damn old at this point. I did give the military consideration after undergrad. I figured I could go to OCS. However, I am blind as a bat and since I only wanted to fly planes or helicopters it was worthless. I had one Navy recruiter tell me I could fly jets, but every other recruiter I spoke to, including other Navy guys, told me I would not be able to with my vision.
 
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scUM Buster said:
No, actually it doesn't speak for itself. What really happens is that Soldiers are not allowed to ETS (get out of the service) when their unit is tagged to go to Iraq. Throw in a bonus for re-enlistment, and the Soldier just basically says "fuck it"...they won't let me get out right now anyway...might as well get a bonus out of it. I know guys who can't even retire (already over 20 years of service, but retirement paperwork denied) because of Iraq.


I know those folks too and every one of them is happy as can be :) :) :)
 
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As we were informed by
KillSlashBurn said:
Officials said Wednesday that although the Army will not release its numbers until Friday, it fell about 25 percent short of its target of signing up 6,700 recruits in May. The gap would have been even wider but for the fact that the target was lowered by 1,350.
Or -- put another way the recruiters are 38% under their original targets...

No wonder the Army is pushing re-upping so heavily.

BTW, I'm too old, and too slow to be anything but a nuisance in a fire-fight.

One thing for sure, they (i.e Bush et al) have to fix the underlying problems, else we are looking at a severely depleted military establishment. No matter how liberal some folks may be, that is not a good thing.
 
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I have always dreamed of being a Marine, and I was ready to sign up when I was 17 and do my basic training the summer before my senior year in high school but my parents wouldn't sign for me. By the time I was 18 I had met someone and started a serious relationship with her. After that was all said and done I began a career and obtained bills that I don't think that I could pay if I were in the military. I have no problem fighting for this country and it's citizens I just don't think it would be a financially wise decision.
 
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ScarletInMyVeins said:
I have always dreamed of being a Marine, and I was ready to sign up when I was 17 and do my basic training the summer before my senior year in high school but my parents wouldn't sign for me.

How in the hell were you going to do basic the summer before your senior year? Would you go reserves your senior year and then active after graduation?

My brother left high school a few weeks early so he could hit basic, SOI and then his specialty on time. Otherwise he would have had to wait like nine months.
 
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I'm almost 30 and I would take a huge pay cut if I went into the military. Although I do have a friend who enlisted to be a helicopter pilot. He had tons of college debt and the military promised to pay it all off. He took a pay cut, but the debt payoff helped even things out.
 
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My father tried like crazy to push me toward West Point... guess he realized my brother wasn't cut out for it. Eventual service to our country appealed, but I sort of prefer to do my own thing. Oh, who am I kidding... I'm too lazy.
 
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