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Miles vs. Tressel

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No doubt Tressel has a great resume, I think everybody around the country knows that. The only thing I was trying to say in the original post is that I don't think it is quite the lopsided Ohio State advantage that the rest of the nation would probably think it is. still an advantage? yes somewhat, but not overwhelming.
 
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-LSU-;1040922; said:
I have been as unbiased and as respectful of Ohio State as any LSU fan I have seen, but trying to argue that the difference between 04 Ohio State and 07 Ohio State is the same or close to the difference between 04 Oklahoma State and 07 LSU is ridiculous.
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Wait a minute here. 04 Ohio State was was probably the second worst Ohio State team of this decade. They'd lost a record 14 players to the NFL draft from the previous year and they went 7-4. This years team is 11-1 and ranked #1 and is loaded with present and future 1st and 2nd round NFL picks. You don't think there is a dramatic difference there? What planet are you on?

Additionally, Oklahoma State was favored in the Alamo Bowl and was supposed to be a team that Ohio State would struggle with because of their "speed" and their versatile QB. Ohio State proceeded to dominate every aspect of the game and the 33-7 final score was not indicative of how badly Oklahoma State was dominated.
 
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-LSU-;1040873; said:
...but it should be noted that Miles has beaten 6 different coaches who have won crystal trophies:

Stoops
Fulmer
Meyer
Saban
Spurrier
Coker
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This was brought up in the Les Miles, "The Hat" thread, to which I replied:

"Stoops: 2-2 against OU while at OkState. Meh.
Coker: Beat Coker's 2005 Miami team that was in the beginning of their collapse. So-so.
Spurrier: Beat 6-6 South Carolina by 12 at home this year. Not impressed.
Saban: Beat 6-6 Alabama by 7 points on the road. Not impressed.
Fulmer: 2-1 against fat boy, all three games close.
Meyer: 2-1 against Meyer, with both wins coming at home by 4 points.

At first glance, "conquering 6 Crystal Trophy-winning coaches" appears impressive, but upon further review..."

Those who think isn't a great coach is his own way are mistaken, but I wouldn't simply tally up how many "Crystal Football" coaches he has beaten. Tressel has beaten Coker, Mack Brown, and owns Carr (who won the last natioanl title before the BCS took effect). He also has beaten Joe Paterno (two national titles) five of seven times. That simple counting of coaches is a true measurement of ability. Probably the best would be head-to-head, where Tressel has coached against Miles once, winning 33-7 just three seasons ago.
 
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-LSU-;1040932; said:
No doubt Tressel has a great resume, I think everybody around the country knows that. The only thing I was trying to say in the original post is that I don't think it is quite the lopsided Ohio State advantage that the rest of the nation would probably think it is. still an advantage? yes somewhat, but not overwhelming.
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Miles' bowl resume:
2002: Houston (W)
2003: Cotton (L)
2004: Alamo (L)
2005: Peach (W)
2006: Sugar (W)
(Also 1-1 in SEC championship)

Tressel won 4 of 6 I-AA championship games, has been in 4 BCS games (winning 3).

Resume advantage: Tressel, overwhelmingly.
 
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-LSU-;1040932; said:
No doubt Tressel has a great resume, I think everybody around the country knows that. The only thing I was trying to say in the original post is that I don't think it is quite the lopsided Ohio State advantage that the rest of the nation would probably think it is. still an advantage? yes somewhat, but not overwhelming.
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Depends on what your gradient is between somewhat and overwhelming. Tressel has coached in enough national championship games to equate to almost a full season. In this regard, Tressel's experience is greater than Les Miles by a LONG shot. Does this experience equate to an "overwhelming" advantage or "somewhat"? Who knows. Either way, it's an advantage. Couple this with Miles' relatively reckless coaching calls, and I would say said advantage only continues to sway in Tressel's direction.
 
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BayBuck;1040951; said:
Miles' bowl resume:
2002: Houston (W)
2003: Cotton (L)
2004: Alamo (L)
2005: Peach (W)
2006: Sugar (W)
(Also 1-1 in SEC championship)

Tressel won 4 of 6 I-AA championship games, has been in 4 BCS games (winning 3).

Resume advantage: Tressel, overwhelmingly.
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Ok, we'll see. I'm happy that Ohio State people can post a little bulletin board material of their own.
 
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muffler dragon;1040959; said:
Couple this with Miles' relatively reckless coaching calls
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Miles as being a "reckless" coach is totally a media creation. I have agreed with every single one of those calls and I'm glad we have a coach who will play to win the game. I would be much more worried if we had a Brian Billick type who kicks the field goal on the one yard line to play for OT rather than showing confidence in his team and going for the win right then and there.
 
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Sorry, one major bowl win, against an automatic win (golden helmets) does not trump 3 BCS wins (one vs ND tho), 1 NC win (against the unbeatable dynasty), & 4 I-AA championships.

Can Miles prove himself in this game? Absolutely. But getting offended at an obvious difference in resumes is pretty weak. Trying to paint it as bulletin board material, even though no media member is talking about it, is even more sad.
I guess your right. Miles can't carry Tressel's jock with all those I-AA titles of his. We're doomed.
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-LSU-;1040990; said:
I guess your right. Miles can't carry Tressel's jock with all those I-AA titles of his. We're doomed.
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The point is that Miles' big-game experience absolutely pales in comparison to Tressel's. You're the one who brought resumes up as a point of comparison and discussion, don't be so upset when those regular-season wins over good coaches don't stack up.
 
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jwinslow;1040991; said:
Sorry, one major bowl win, against an automatic win (golden helmets) does not trump 3 BCS wins (one vs ND tho), 1 NC win (against the unbeatable dynasty), & 4 I-AA championships.

Can Miles prove himself in this game? Absolutely. But getting offended at an obvious difference in resumes is pretty weak. Trying to paint it as bulletin board material, even though no media member is talking about it, is even more sad.:tibor:
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We all know Tressel is a great coach but some of these posts are trying to make it sound like Miles is a pushover.
 
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