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Mid Majors, playoffs and who "deserves" what

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Tail wagging the dog. JXC, you're not looking at it fairly. You're claiming "excitement" despite the fact that we already know, from OOC games, that they are not exciting.

Sorry, but #1 Uconn v. East Nobody Tech in basketball isn't exciting either.
 
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In fairness, I just went back and looked, and I did not do 11+5 as I had thought.

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I did just conference champs, and speculated that 11+5 was more like the basketball tourney... the illusion of fairness... but that it was still letting bad teams like Troy (scheduled wins) get a shot at something they don't deserve.

Edit: The links in the link I gave don't appear to work. you can do a search for "Playoff hypos" and they'll come up, though.
 
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Save maybe a few of the first round games, none of the match-ups would lack any excitement. You'd likely have 8 or 9 games in the playoffs that pit two top 10 teams against each other. So yes, while you have focused on a few games that may not be exciting...it's hard to argue with games that would have two top 10 teams playing each other.

I would find this system more exciting overall than the current one. To me it is an upgrade, not just a change. I can't speak for everybody, and if everybody disagrees, then so be it.

And again...my argument was really for an 11+5. I think i'd rather have just a top 16. I think the 11+5 would make mid-major conference championship games more interesting, but I think just having the top 16 would be more fair, and would also make that actually playoff a lot more exciting.
 
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As I said earlier in the thread, you're simply taking these 8 or 9 games (assuming the assertion is true) and putting them at the end of the year, instead of during the year. Ohio State - Texas doesn't happen, because Ohio State schedules certain victories to get to the playoff.

That's not 'more exciting' It's putting excitement off to some particular set of weeks. Meh... I'm not willing to piss away a great season just so I can have potentially interesting games in December.

Likewise, 16 teams? Just what the hell has Miami Fla or West Virginia done that makes you think they should be in the conversation along with Alabama and Texas (or even TCU, Cinci and Boise, for that matter).

You continue to refuse to address the regular season concerns. Until you do, I have to think you're simply not thinking it through reasonably... instead letting your desired result drive your rationale.
 
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JXC;1616022; said:
Well those match-ups could still exist with this playoff. So why is more exciting games bad?

I find it hard to argue that this playoff system would be less exciting than what we have now.

Maybe if you act like each match-up has the same at stake, then yes, the BCS may be more exciting. But when it's a NC at stake in every game, then at least to me, it makes the playoff games more exciting.
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The playoff is significantly more exciting and creates more money for the Universities. I feel like there may a generational gap in this argumnet where the more seasoned fan remebers the days of the Rose Bowl and what it meant to get there. A lot of that history is lost on the younger crowd when an undefated season means you don't take the automatic bid to Pasadena, you play for the championship. I'd rather win the Big 10 and lose in a playoff, than go to Pasadena and win a bowl game that just punctuates the season. I'm sure lots of people disagree about that. Not to mention, other than USC, I really could care less about the PAC 10...I'd rather play 5 different teams this year than Oregon excluding Texas or Alabama.

It still sickens me that TCU, Cincy, and Boise don't get a shot. I don't know what the ramifications are once ESPN takes over the BCS, but I'm somewhat hopeful they can push a playoff through...say what you want about ESPN, but they know how to make a dollar. If a playoff generates more moeny, you have to think they have the leverage to make it happen.
 
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billmac91;1616046; said:
The playoff is significantly more exciting and creates more money for the Universities. I feel like there may a generational gap in this argumnet where the more seasoned fan remebers the days of the Rose Bowl and what it meant to get there. A lot of that history is lost on the younger crowd when an undefated season means you don't take the automatic bid to Pasadena, you play for the championship. I'd rather win the Big 10 and lose in a playoff, than go to Pasadena and win a bowl game that just punctuates the season. I'm sure lots of people disagree about that. Not to mention, other than USC, I really could care less about the PAC 10...I'd rather play 5 different teams this year than Oregon excluding Texas or Alabama.

It still sickens me that TCU, Cincy, and Boise don't get a shot. I don't know what the ramifications are once ESPN takes over the BCS, but I'm somewhat hopeful they can push a playoff through...say what you want about ESPN, but they know how to make a dollar. If a playoff generates more moeny, you have to think they have the leverage to make it happen.
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Did it sicken you that Ball State, at 12-1, didn't get an invite to the BCS last year when Ohio State at 10-2 did?

Yeah... me too.
 
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As I said earlier in the thread, you're simply taking these 8 or 9 games (assuming the assertion is true) and putting them at the end of the year, instead of during the year. Ohio State - Texas doesn't happen, because Ohio State schedules certain victories to get to the playoff.
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I don't understand this line of thinking BKB...if you're Ohio State, aren't you smart to schedule some big OOC games to ensure you can make the playoffs in the event you don't win the Big 10?? Scheduling patsies, and then losing the conference to Penn State or Iowa is asking to be on the outside looking in. A 2-loss Big 10 team that knocked off a Texas, USC, or Oklahoma still has a chance...

I think it dramatically improves OOC games.
 
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billmac91;1616053; said:
I don't understand this line of thinking BKB...if you're Ohio State, aren't you smart to schedule some big OOC games to ensure you can make the playoffs in the event you don't win the Big 10?? Scheduling patsies, and then losing the conference to Penn State or Iowa is asking to be on the outside looking in. A 2-loss Big 10 team that knocked off a Texas, USC, or Oklahoma still has a chance...

I think it dramatically improves OOC games.
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I disagree with you Bill...

When Ohio State loses to Texas, they fall in the rankings. When they beat Youngstown State, they do not. (Bad example, it being Ohio State and all, lol)..

Winning a game against USC in September won't matter if you drop one to Purdue in October. So, why bother risking the loss at all? It doesn't make sense. I understand what you mean about computers looking at SOS, and that.. but.. TCU and Cinci and Boise have shit schedules and they're all doing just fine.
 
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Winning a game against USC in September won't matter if you drop one to Purdue in October. So, why bother risking the loss at all? It doesn't make sense. I understand what you mean about computers looking at SOS, and that.. but.. TCU and Cinci and Boise have shit schedules and they're all doing just fine.
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Yup. Maybe if Boise was checking in at #12 & cincy at 9, then there would be more emphasis to schedule decent games. There's even less motivation to schedule good opponents if you have a BCS conference schedule already lined up. It doesn't matter that Texas' schedule turned out to be a joke, the preseason assumptions and undefeated record were enough to get them a high ranking.
 
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billmac91;1616053; said:
I think it dramatically improves OOC games.
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Plus, it's not a 1 loss and your championship shot is over scenario.

I think we need a playoff in CFB. Take the nobodies off the schedule completely, cut the season down a game or two if you have to, and play this shit out on the field.

Every other league at every level in every major sport does it.
 
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jwinslow;1616056; said:
Yup. Maybe if Boise was checking in at #12 & cincy at 9, then there would be more emphasis to schedule decent games. There's even less motivation to schedule good opponents if you have a BCS conference schedule already lined up. It doesn't matter that Texas' schedule turned out to be a joke, the preseason assumptions and undefeated record were enough to get them a high ranking.
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That's why I think you also should take out the preseason poll too, maybe. At least the one that would impact playoff standings.
 
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I think we need a playoff in CFB. Take the nobodies off the schedule completely, cut the season down a game or two if you have to, and play this shit out on the field.
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If you take out 2 OOC games to make time for the playoffs, you also open up the possibility to home games away from the south. It's a lot easier to sell November games in Columbus (or Chicago if necessary) than december.
 
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I'm not advocating it, but a playoff that takes 8 teams - 6 conference winners and the top 2 other BCS ranked teams, regardless of where they come from (limit of 2 per conference might also be imposed) could be a playoff that wouldn't severely damage the regular season.

Taking the conference winner makes each conference race meaningful. It also allows teams to schedule tough non-conference games, knowing that if they win them, it can help them be one of the top-2 teams that don't win their conference; but if they lose them it won't cripple their BCS title chances - they just need to win their conference to make the final 8.
 
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KingLeon;1616057; said:
Plus, it's not a 1 loss and your championship shot is over scenario.

I think we need a playoff in CFB. Take the nobodies off the schedule completely, cut the season down a game or two if you have to, and play this shit out on the field.

Every other league at every level in every major sport does it.
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And every other league at every level in every sport has a regular season which is not nearly as compelling as CFB.

Careful what you wish for.
 
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