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Michigan at NOTRE DAME

MrMan0202;605884; said:
I don't know if I'm as ready to rip into Biakabatuka and Perry as Bruce Feldman. Biakabatuka did put up 300 yards against us on the ground. I'm still trying to forget that game. Biakabatuka's NFL career was cut short by various injuries. He never really had a fair-clean shot to prove himself on the next level. Perry is an NFL bust? Really? He did real good against us in college as well and I think it's too early to call him a bust. Anthony Thomas had some good games against us as well and for a 2nd round pick he's had a decent career. The only back on his list who he named that was a bust was Wheatley.

Chris Perry has A good game against OSU, A single good game... the rest of the time he wasn't "Real good" against OSU, although he was better than I was going to give him credit for going on "gut" instinct.

2003 - 154
2002 - 76
2001 - 53
2000 - 15
Total: 298
74.5 yards a game

Anthony Thomas was even worse.

2000 - 72
1999 - 111
1998 - 12 (Michigan as a team had 4 yards)
1997 - 29
Total: 224
56 yards per game

I wouldn't call that "Good" At least not in the sense I took you to mean it.

And even Biatchabatuka wasn't "great" save for his one outstanding game in 95
1993 15
1994 3
1995 313

Wheatley was the best, and most consistent of this bunch:
1991 - 79
1992 - 100
1993 - 105
1994 - 92
 
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They all did good against Ohio State. You are skewing the data, BKB. Hundred yard games for each back, with some extra yardage here and there in other games.

And I don't think of any of them as NFL-busts, either. They did ok in the League (other than Perry), but none of them were projected as all-Pros either. The NFL is a different animal, and the tiniest setback with an injury can change everything.
 
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A few times a year, a game comes along where winning and losing just doesn't seem important to me. The teams are storied, with long, successful histories. Icons among their sport

Boston Red Sox vs New York Yankees
Dallas Cowboys vs San Francisco 49ers
FSU Seminoles vs Miami Hurricanes
scUM Weasels vs Notre Dame Fighting Irish.

I would just prefer someone drop a daisy cutter on the field during team introductions.
 
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HabaneroBuck;606240; said:
And I don't think of any of them as NFL-busts, either.

----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1996 car | 4 | 71 229 3.2 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1997 car | 8 | 75 299 4.0 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
| 1998 car | 9 | 101 427 4.2 3 | 8 138 17.2 1 |
| 1999 car | 11 | 138 718 5.2 6 | 23 189 8.2 0 |
| 2000 car | 12 | 173 627 3.6 2 | 34 341 10.0 2 |
| 2001 car | 5 | 53 230 4.3 1 | 12 121 10.1 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 49 | 611 2530 4.1 14 | 77 789 10.2 3 |

Those are Tslnjkbjkhb Biatchabatuka's career stats. He was the 8th overall pick in the 1996 draft. That, my friend, is a bust.
 
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2500 career yards and a 4.1 ypc average is a bust? Again, he showed that he could play in the NFL, but obtaining an injury in that league can make a huge difference in one's production.

Every game in which I saw him play had demonstrations of the burst that plagued the unbeaten Buckeyes that sorrowful day. He just didn't play as much as his team hoped.

Could be semantics. I think of Curtis Enis, Akili Smith, David Klingler, and Tim Couch as busts. Guys who keep getting injured, not so much.
 
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bust =
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I'm hoping for Quinn to throw 3 picks, and both teams to look like shit. I'm still not sold on ND, I think that PSU win last week wasn't much, because the Lions are overrated. I wouldn't be suprised to see them lose 5 games this season. If they don't, the only reason will be due to a weak Big Ten this season (with the exception of OSU).

No matter what, we get to smile because one of these squads is going down.
 
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Gotta love the tortilla line (I've bolded it).

cfn

Perspective Piece: Michigan-Notre Dame

By Matt Zemek
Staff Columnist
Posted Sep 13, 2006

If you're a Michigan fan, a word of advice: identify your priorities before the Wolverines take the field in South Bend this Saturday.


If Big Ten championships and Rose Bowl appearances are your top priorities, be prepared to lay off Lloyd Carr this weekend. But if beating Notre Dame is a bigger goal, being frustrated with the Michigan coaching staff is an understandable emotional posture.

Yes, when the subject matter is Michigan-Notre Dame, the blood pressure rises in Ann Arbor. Lloyd Carr--a quality football coach by any reasonable standard--has suffered so much stress in recent years because of his performances in this classic college football rivalry. Carr always gets his teams to respond in October, when the leaves turn and known conference foes are waiting to be taken down. In two of the past three seasons, Carr has stood on the fresh green grass of Pasadena on New Year's Day, fulfilling what is ostensibly his mandate as Michigan football coach: winning the Big Ten. But in the pursuit of a conference crown, Carr has--to his own detriment--neglected to place sufficient emphasis on beating the Fighting Irish--not emotionally, mind you, but certainly from tactical and technical perspectives and, perhaps, even politically. The soul of a loyal and accomplished Michigan Man might be so locked into Pasadena that the will to conquer Notre Dame has been flagging in the past several years of the Carr Administration. Give Carr credit for his Big Ten record and his national title; Notre Dame, however, is the Waterloo of his Michigan career.

Everything about this Saturday's game in Notre Dame Stadium revolves around Michigan and its coach. The way Carr coaches this game--and the way his players (not Brady Quinn or Darius Walker or Jeff Samardzija) perform--will ultimately tell the tale. If the Wolverines play scared, they'll get drummed out of Indiana so badly that the reverberations could send many a Michigander over the edge. Why? Because there's just no getting around the fact that when Michigan has come to South Bend in recent years, the Maize and Blue have folded like a corn tortilla (gotta have Maize in your corn, right?).

In 2003, when having the luxury of playing at home, Michigan crushed the Irish, 38-0. But a year before and a year after that game, the talent disparity between the two teams never emerged, because the Wolverines--in South Bend for the 2002 and 2004 editions of this rivalry--couldn't handle the heat of a road environment. With timid play calling and fraidy-cat quarterbacking--two things that go hand in hand--Michigan's coaches and players looked on, dumbfounded, as profoundly less talented Irish teams scored upset victories over Wolverine ballclubs whose immense speed on the edges--particularly at the flanker position--was completely wasted. A year ago, it didn't even matter that Michigan hosted the Irish, as the same basic dynamic played out in a 17-10 Irish victory. Notre Dame almost always manages to ensnare the Wolverines in an ugly game that brings forth all of Michigan's dysfunctionalities and coaching weaknesses. When Big Ten title time comes a' callin', Lloyd Carr and his boys usually deliver the goods and carry the Michigan name with honor. Against Notre Dame, the Maize and Blue become body-snatched impostors. This isn't literary hyperbole; the results are quite damning on their own.

So will Michigan finally throw the kitchen sink at Notre Dame in South Bend? It's been a long time since a Lloyd Carr team played with distinction in the Catholic enclave of Indiana, and this lack of quality from the Michigan side is a big reason why Wolverine fans have been increasingly upset about the job performance of a fine football coach whose Big Ten track record is worthy of considerable respect and praise. Everything Lloyd Carr has done in conference play over the years has been increasingly more obscured by his lame efforts against the Fighting Irish. Will Carr bring his A-game to South Bend on Saturday? That's the question the citizens of Ann Arbor--not to mention the whole college football
 
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HabaneroBuck;606240; said:
They all did good against Ohio State. You are skewing the data, BKB. Hundred yard games for each back, with some extra yardage here and there in other games.

What do you mean, "extra yardage?" Do you mean, they weren't the feature back when they went for less than 100?


Chris Perry

2003 - 154 (Leading Rush)
2002 - 76 (Leading Rush)
2001 - 53 (Leading Rush, Askew had 46)
2000 - 15 (2nd leading rush, Thomas 60)

Anthony Thomas

2000 - 60 (I had 72 above, but that wasn't Net) (leading Rush)
1999 - 111 (Leading Rush)
1998 - 12 (Michigan as a team had 4 yards) (Leading Rush)
1997 - 29 (2nd Rush, Floyd had 33)

Biatchabatuka
1993 15 (4th best, Wheatley 105)
1994 3 (3rd best, Wheatley 92)
1995 313 (Leading Rush)

Wheatley was the best, and most consistent of this bunch:
1991 - 79 (Leading Rush)
1992 - 100 (Leading Rush)
1993 - 105 (Leading Rush)
1994 - 92 (Leading Rush)

So, of the years listed it would appear these backs (save for Biatchabatuka) were more than merely getting "extra yardage."
 
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OSUBKIZ;606819; said:
I don't understand how a Buckeye could ever root for scUM to win any game. I hope they never win another game!!!!!!!!
the hype/arrogance/consequences of ND winning are far more severe... we can take care of UM later this year.
 
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