Miami (FL) Hurricanes (1926-2003)

[jlb1705]

Every player, coach and administrative employee has to agree to abide by NCAA subpoena as a requirement to play or work in the program. Not sure what the enforcement mechanism would be, however.

That is pretty much an exact description of the way things work now.

 

[Buckeye Maniac]

That is pretty much an exact description of the way things work now.

The NCAA has no subpoena power now, though.

 

[BB73]

The CFN guys weigh in on Miami.

CFN

 

[colobuck79]

That is pretty much an exact description of the way things work now.

So the problem is the NCAA has no ability to levy fines on individuals if they choose to walk away?

 

[bassbuckeye07]

SI.com

Note to AP writer - never use 'taint' and 'Shalala' in the same paragraph again.

I knew a girl that shalala'd taint

 

[jlb1705]

The NCAA has no subpoena power now, though.

He described exactly what happens now, except he called it a subpoena.

NCAA: Mr. Pryor, we'd like to speak with you.
Pryor: No.
NCAA: You have to, or you will be declared ineligible.
Pryor: See ya.

[email protected]: Coach Carroll, we'd like to speak with you. If you don't comply, we have the power to attach a show-cause penalty to you which will make you unemployable in college football.
[email protected]: OUT OF OFFICE REPLY - I am no longer employed with the University of Southern California. If you would like to reach me, please contact the front office of the Seattle Seahawks.

 

[knapplc]

Donna Shalala expresses her regret over these allegations to The U:

To the University Community:

Since its founding more than 85 years ago, the University of Miami has stood for excellence in higher education in every endeavor, every degree, and every student. Our more than 15,000 students, on three campuses in 11 schools and colleges, and over 150,000 alumni expect our core values to remain steadfast and true in times of extraordinary achievement as well as those rare times when those values are called into question.

As a member of the University family, I am upset, disheartened, and saddened by the recent allegations leveled against some current and past student-athletes and members of our Athletic Department. Make no mistake?I regard these allegations with the utmost of seriousness and understand the concern of so many of you. We will vigorously pursue the truth, wherever that path may lead, and I have insisted upon complete, honest, and transparent cooperation with the NCAA from our staff and students. Our counsel is working jointly with the NCAA Enforcement Division in a thorough and meticulous investigation, which will require our patience.

I am in daily communication with our Board of Trustees, Executive Committee, Director of Athletics, and counsel, and will continue to work closely with the leaders of our University.

To our students, parents, faculty, alumni, and supporters?I encourage you to have patience as the process progresses; to have confidence in knowing that we are doing everything possible to discover the truth; to have faith in the many outstanding student-athletes and coaches who represent the University; and to have pride in what our University has accomplished and aspires to be.

She should have written a resignation letter, not this.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

The CFN guys weigh in on Miami.

CFN

I usually like Fiu - but I dont need the "at least what that NCAA is punishing the Buckeyes for... " dig at the end there. Or perhaps I'm picking nits?

 

[AKAK]

So, here's a little math... these are the estimates off the top of my head.
We take Dollars, Players and Coaches....

USC: $300,000 to 1 Player (Reggie Bush) and 1 coach who knew.

Oregon: $25,000K for what? influence on 2 players and at least 1 Coach who knew.

Ohio State: $10,000ish (at the worst, and unsubstantiated) that were conjured up by 7ish players and a Head Coach who knew about it.

Auburn: 180,001 to buy one player and at least one coach who ok'd it (very allegedly)

We add all that up... and we get a hair over 500K, 11 Players and 4 Coaches who knew what was up.

So, other than the coaches... which are the equivalent of those 4 things, you then likely have to multiply this thing by about 7... then you get what this guy is saying... almost... you still have the non NCAA violation part of draggging your name through the mud of Prostitutes and Donna Shalala bowling.

The problem here is, what the heck do you do.

The Death Penalty isn't going to happen. You screw the ACC, you mess up all the non conference games they have scheduled in the future... regardless of the actual size of the Miami Fanbase, it doesn't change the fact that their opponents fans are excitedc about playing them (thus a TV ban penalizes the other schools as well)

Give them a bigger penalty than USC, and that's a death penalty nearly... but, give them the death penalty and every other football program that is scared of a rogue booster and you're then pushing people away from the NCAA...

Interesting stuff.

 

[MaxBuck]

I don't give a [censored] if Duh U was never on probation. This [Mark May] is so deep, so extensive, so blatant, so egregious, that the death penalty is the only answer. It's as bad, if not worse, than the [Mark May] SMU was pulling before they got killed.

Over the top.

I acknowledge that the specific ways in which the players (allegedly) received their improper benefits are especially spectacular. Hookers, strippers, etc. certainly peg the meter on the scandalometer. But a player who gets ten free lap dances or a blow job hasn't really violated NCAA rules any more than a player who gets a free hamburger. And like it or not, that happens everywhere. And dollar value doesn't factor into the equation.

The real potential problem here for Da U is if the allegations of coaches' involvement can be proven. Those allegations haven't really been corroborated in the Yahoo article so far as I can tell. If they are, then I'd advise 'Cane fans to find another school to root for.

 

[neilmj]

The NCAA wouldn't be screwing the ACC, Miami would for not following NCAA rules. Plus with A&M/Big XII, I'm sure they could find a fill-in soon enough. Non-conference isn't too hard to reschedule.

If all the stuff is true, then the NCAA is kind of obligated to give the Death Penalty.

 

[southcampus]

Over the top.

I acknowledge that the specific ways in which the players (allegedly) received their improper benefits are especially spectacular. Hookers, strippers, etc. certainly peg the meter on the scandalometer. But a player who gets ten free lap dances or a blow job hasn't really violated NCAA rules any more than a player who gets a free hamburger. And like it or not, that happens everywhere. And dollar value doesn't factor into the equation.

The real potential problem here for Da U is if the allegations of coaches' involvement can be proven. Those allegations haven't really been corroborated in the Yahoo article so far as I can tell. If they are, then I'd advise 'Cane fans to find another school to root for.

In theory, yes. But we're not talking about a double cheeseburger here for $1. We're talking about access to million dollar estates. We're talking about using resources multiple times per week at expenses exceeding $1000 per use. We're talking about underage kids being in Bars, on the dime of a booster (Something I'm sure happens everywhere, but not at $30,000 a clip). I'd agree with you though, that the worst part of it is the alleged knowledge of the coaches and the evident "turning of the head." That's what made the Jim Tressel thing so bad: A basic breakdown of ethics. This is ten times worse than that because it's habitual and on a much much larger scale with a plethora of high ranking people either involved or mysteriously ignorant to reality.

 

[jlb1705]

So the problem is the NCAA has no ability to levy fines on individuals if they choose to walk away?

Well, you can't really levy fines against the student-athletes. After all, they presumably have little to no income () to pay it from.

As for coaches, what happens if they say no to a fine? You go to court, where the cost of doing so in dollars and perception may be prohibitive even if they manage the person to pay the fine.

 

[MaxBuck]

Who would be left? Defense decimated.

http://www.seventhfloorblog.com/201...post-shaprio-2011-miami-depth-chart#storyjump

Well, good point. Let's be honest here: the best part of this story is that U of Miami has just become Eastern Michigan, so add another automatic W.

 

[AKAK]

Over the top.

I acknowledge that the specific ways in which the players (allegedly) received their improper benefits are especially spectacular. Hookers, strippers, etc. certainly peg the meter on the scandalometer. But a player who gets ten free lap dances or a blow job hasn't really violated NCAA rules any more than a player who gets a free hamburger. And like it or not, that happens everywhere. And dollar value doesn't factor into the equation.

The real potential problem here for Da U is if the allegations of coaches' involvement can be proven. Those allegations haven't really been corroborated in the Yahoo article so far as I can tell. If they are, then I'd advise 'Cane fans to find another school to root for.

Actually, and I think the death penalty is over the top too...

But, this is more than just receiving improper benefits...

This is influnecing recruits... guys dealing with Agents... guys accepting bounties to injure other players (Making Brian St Pierre think he's adopted for $40-- that's priceless ) and corroboration of the coaches may not be proven here (and it may, I'm not sure what he's got in his 20,000 pages of evidence, but these guys are gonna get asked about it) and you've also got Shalala taking a check from the guy and letting him lead the team on the field, and they are claiming they didn't know. I think Paul Dee's gonna eat his words on high profile athletes and high profile compliance.

Meanwhile I anxiously await Gator's forthcoming wall of text on why this is worse.