Matta's One and Dones

[LitlBuck]

Chuck Taylor?

I didn't know Fred Taylor's nickname was Chuck.

Aren't you old enough to remember Chuck Taylor's Converse hightops That's what Fred's teams probably wore.

 

[jwinslow]

I have no ide what UF is doing wrong in hoops the past 2 years but they obviously know how to do it right. Chances are they'll be back at the top soon enough.

Or not.

http://florida.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=936707

1. 12.5 ppg & 6.5 rpg F Alex Tyus (OSU offer, Thad chose Turner) is transferring.
2. 17.2 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 6.4 ast PG Nick Calathes has not withdrawn his name from the draft yet.
3. 4-star big man Deshawn Painter has decommitted from UF. Tyus had to play C last year due to a lack of personnel, IIRC.

Not trying to kick you while you're down, Gators, trying to give a little perspective here.

 

[LitlBuck]

It appears as though underclassmen won't be allowed to string out the process of testing the NBA waters next year.

The NCAA legislative council voted Monday to move up the date from 10 days prior to the draft (which is held in late-June) to May 8 to decide whether they will remain in the NBA Draft or withdraw their names and preserve their college eligibility.

The change will go into place for next season unless the NCAA?s Division I board of directors overrules the decision on April 30.

"I think it's a move in the right direction," Kansas coach Bill Self told FOXSports.com. "It's still difficult to be able to replace guys at that point, but it helps solidify things earlier. I think it's a good move, but I still wish the NCAA and NBA could work together to shorten it even more."

Now players will have a short window to declare for the NBA Draft and gauge their status. Currently, players have until Sunday, April 26 to decide whether they want to test the waters and don't have to make a final decision whether to withdraw until mid-June.

That's a six-week or so period where many of them aren't attending classes and are getting bombarded by agents and runners.

"It's definitely beneficial for the college programs," said Ohio State coach Thad Matta, who has lost four players in the last three years early to the NBA. "I think it'll give more clarity to the programs. The waiting game is quicker and that?ll be beneficial."

It also means that the underclassmen won't have a chance to fly around the country and work out for a dozen or two NBA teams before making a decision ? as has been the case in recent years.

"It's also another three or four weeks that the kids who decide to come back are in school instead of traveling around," Self added. "It allows kids a chance to work towards graduation."

The proposal also removes the option for draft entrants who are not chosen in the NBA Draft to return to college. Previously, those who were not selected in the draft had 30 days after the draft to declare their intention to return.

UNDERCLASSMEN MAY HAVE LESS TIME TO TEST NBA WATERS • College Hoop Blog: Good 'N Plenty - FOX Sports Blogs

 

[MaxBuck]

The proposal also removes the option for draft entrants who are not chosen in the NBA Draft to return to college. Previously, those who were not selected in the draft had 30 days after the draft to declare their intention to return.

I'd like to know what in the hell the NCAA is doing eliminating this opportunity. It's nothing other than a screw job for the student-athlete. What valid scholastic goal does it promote?

 

[LitlBuck]

Underclassmen must withdraw from draft earlier (Hoops & Scoops: an OSU basketball blog)

Underclassmen must withdraw from draft earlier

Early entrants in the NBA draft will have to withdraw by May 8 starting next year, according to a rule approved today by the NCAA board of directors. The current rule allows players to wait until June 15.

The NBA also agreed to move individual tryouts up to April 30. Those do not begin now until early June.
Next year, the NBA still will not release the list of withdrawals until mid-June, but players still must notify the NCAA by the new deadline that they plan to return to school, said David Berst, NCAA Division I vice president.

NCAA coaches lobbied for the earlier withdrawal date so they could begin planning for the next season sooner. The board approved the rule because it puts more emphasis on helping returning players, especially those at schools on the quarter system like Ohio State, academically eligible.

Also today, the NBA released the list of 74 college underclassmen who have entered the June 25 draft. Ohio State freshman B.J. Mullens was the only Big Ten player to put his name in.

Posted by Bob Baptist on April 30, 2009

 

[Buckskin86]

ESPN Outside the Lines show on One and Done's...interview with Thad

OTL: One And Done - ESPN Video - ESPN

 

[LitlBuck]

Great find by 86.

Thought it was interesting that Matta thought that Conley would be a three-year player until about a month away from the end of the season and then he realized that Mike would probably be gone.

Also interesting to hear that Kosta had some conversations with agents during the season. Matta did not say that he was fully focused on the season because he had one foot in and one foot out.

NBA executives say that the one year of college rule gives them more time to evaluate talent before they invest their money in a player. If they are so worried about making a wrong investment, maybe they should let the kids stay in college for 2-3 years and that would give them a lot more time to evaluate players.

 

[OHSportsFan]

ESPN Outside the Lines show on One and Done's...interview with Thad

OTL: One And Done - ESPN Video - ESPN

On ESPN starting now.

 

[Buckskin86]

Another Buckeye set to use NBA's one-and-done rule
RUSTY MILLER
Tuesday, June 30, 2009

COLUMBUS, Ohio - John Wooden won 10 NCAA championships at UCLA by stockpiling incredible talent and developing it.

Ohio State coach Thad Matta has never won a national title. Yet in his dreams he ponders what it was like for the Wizard of Westwood, back in the days before players could leave school early for the pros.

"I've often said this to my wife: 'Can you imagine what John Wooden felt like every night when he went to bed?'" Matta said with a laugh.

Had all of Matta's recruits stayed with the Buckeyes instead of using the NBA's "one and done" rule that allows players to jump to the pros after a single college season, he might have a UCLA-sized juggernaut of his own.

"I'd have a little smile on my face," Matta said.

Over the last two NBA drafts, no fewer than four Ohio State players have spent one year on campus before being taken in the first round. B.J. Mullens, the third 7-footer of the bunch, is expected to make it five in three years in Thursday night's draft.

Matta hates the rule but shrugs. It's not his choice.

But the list of those opposing it is growing. The National Association of Basketball Coaches, which represents college coaches, is lobbying the NBA and its players association to change the rule when its next contract takes effect in 2011.

Matta's teams have gone 35-4, 24-13 and 22-11 the last three years. Next year's club will be built around Evan Turner, a junior who was an honorable mention All-American last season while averaging 17.3 points, 7.1 rebounds and 4 assists a game.

But what Matta sees when he drifts off to sleep is a tall and talented lineup of veterans that includes 7-foot Greg Oden (No. 1, Portland, 2007) at center, Mike Conley Jr. (No. 4, Memphis, 2007) running the point, 7-0 Kosta Koufos (No. 23, Utah, 2008) at power forward, Daequan Cook (No. 21, Philadelphia, 2007, then traded to Miami) at shooting guard and Turner at small forward.

Another Buckeye set to use NBA's one-and-done rule / nwi.com

 

[Oh8ch]

maybe they should let the kids stay in college for 2-3 years

Nobody is preventing kids from staying in school. The only constraints in place are against entering the NBA.

 

[Taosman]

There's an element of greed in action here. We're talking about millions of potential dollars being dangled in front of kids and their handlers. That's a lot of temptation to ignore or not be corrupted by. The only answer is an agreement with the NBA on number of years a kid must stay in school. It's a win, win for the NBA and the kids. The NBA gets players more mature and the kids see the possibilities of what a college education can be. And of course colleges will benefit also.

 

[Buckskin86]

Matta, Calipari thrive in one-and-done era
By Todd Jones
The Columbus Dispatch Tuesday November 1, 2011

The one-and-done culture created by the NBA?s draft-eligibility rule leaves major-college basketball programs facing a dilemma in their recruiting.

?If you don?t get those guys, you will be playing against them,? Ohio State coach Thad Matta said.

Soon after the NBA in 2006 raised the draft-eligible age from 18 to 19 and required applicants to be at least one year removed from high school, Matta decided that signing NBA talent was worth the risk of losing players early.

Since 2007, six of his players have left for the pros before exhausting their college eligibility. Five of those were one-and-done players ? the same number lost by Texas.

Matta doesn?t second-guess a recruiting strategy that has helped OSU to a 141-38 record, an NCAA championship game appearance and two Sweet 16 appearances in the past five seasons.

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http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/01/matta-calipari-thrive-in-one-and-done-era.html

Who's it helping? College basketball feels impact of one-and-done

First in a series: In a three-day series, The Dispatch examines the effects of an NBA draft-eligibility rule that requires players to be 19 years old and at least one year removed from high school.
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By Tom Reed and Todd Jones
The Columbus Dispatch Tuesday November 1, 2011

Ohio State's Greg Oden (20) and Kevin Durant of Texas were "one-and-done" picks in the 2007 NBA draft.

AKRON ? The most prominent NCAA basketball coaches jockeyed for position along balcony railings inside James A. Rhodes Arena to watch a showcase named for an athlete who never played a minute of college hoops.

The three-day LeBron James Skills Academy featured 80 of the top high-school players and select college underclassmen, and as it drew to a close in July, its celebrated host mingled with the coaches who wooed the 26-year-old Akron native when he was in high school.

James entertained questions about what college programs intrigued him while he was at Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary, even though everyone knew he would forgo college to be the first pick in the 2003 NBA draft.

The courting of King James and the NBA?s obsession with finding the next teenage prodigy helped make it possible for those college coaches at his summer camp to sign the nation?s top recruits ? at least for one season.

In 2006, the NBA and its players? union raised the draft-eligible age from 18 to 19 and required that applicants be at least one year removed from high school.

Five years later, the controversial rule continues to affect the college game, recruiting strategies, academic standards and the earning power of teens.

In basketball circles, some appreciate that college fans get at least a 30-plus-game glimpse of Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose and other players who otherwise might have jumped directly to the NBA from high school.

?I think the college game has gotten better because those guys chose to go to college,? Ohio State coach Thad Matta said.

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http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/01/whos-it-helping.html

Academic fallout: Conflict between NBA and NCAA eligibility rules could hurt colleges when players leave early

Second in a series: In a three-day series, The Dispatch examines the effects of an NBA draft-eligibility rule that requires players to be 19 years old and at least one year removed from high school.
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By Todd Jones
The Columbus Dispatch Wednesday November 2, 2011


Byron Mullens grew up an Ohio State fan, and as a ninth-grader he committed to play for OSU. But if it had been his choice, he wouldn?t have played basketball for the Buckeyes.

Mullens said he wanted to enter the NBA draft as soon as he graduated from Canal Winchester High School, in 2008. Yet the 7-footer wasn?t allowed.

Two years earlier, the NBA had instituted a rule that required draft applicants to be at least 19 years old and one year removed from high school.

Mullens played a freshman season at OSU (when he was known as B.J.) before being selected No. 24 overall in the 2009 draft by the Dallas Mavericks, who then immediately traded him to Oklahoma City.

?I probably would have been a higher pick (in 2008) because of the hype I had coming out of high school,? Mullens said. ?But college helped me a lot. I?m kind of glad the rule was in because I got to be on campus and experience college life and make great friends.

?It?s a good rule. It gives kids another year to grow and mature.?

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http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/02/academic-fallout.html

One-and-done: Change, but to what?
Many say the rule needs to go, but there’s no consensus on how to replace it
Third in a series: In a three-day series, The Dispatch examines the effects of an NBA draft-eligibility rule that requires players to be 19 years old and at least one year removed from high school.
By Tom Reed and Todd Jones
The Columbus Dispatch Thursday November 3, 2011

Seated in a Schottenstein Center conference room, Thad Matta shared with reporters the crazy thoughts that can percolate in the mind of college basketball coach in the one-and-done era.

“I can remember times during William Buford’s freshman season (2008-09) where we exploited a matchup and he scored our first six or eight points,” the Ohio State coach said. “I caught myself thinking, ‘Crap, we are going to lose this guy to the NBA; he’s gone.’ I’m not thinking about what defense we are going to run. I’m thinking about: ‘Who are we going to get to replace Buford?’ It’s the reality of what we’re dealing with.

“So we took him out of the game.”

The room filled with laughter.

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http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/03/change-but-to-what.html