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I believe his arm surgery would have prevented him from working with scouts before last year's draft... that could have dropped his draft stock.
Do they have good ballroom dancing clubs in Arizona?
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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
No, they weren't talking about the chances of the Highway Bums winning a game this fantasy season.
Haven't even heard Leinart say it (or anything). Got it from PFT:
POSTED 9:59 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 10:50 p.m. EDT, August 2, 2006
TUG-O-WAR CONTINUES BETWEEN CARDS, LEINART
The Arizona Cardinals are at an impasse, for now, with first-round quarterback Matt Leinart, the tenth overall pick in the draft who was expected to be drafted higher than that.
Some league insiders believe that Leinart is being screwed by the bad deal signed by linebacker Ernie Sims at No. 9 and the average contract given to quarterback Jay Cutler at No. 11. Sims is represented by agent Todd France, who also represented last year's No. 9 pick, cornerback Carlos Rogers of the Redskins. Because, as some league insiders believe, France did a bad deal in 2005 for Rogers, Sims and France were forced to work off of that same bad deal in the same slot in 2006, since the last thing France could do was bad-mouth the contract he negotiated for Rogers a year ago.
As a result, the Cardinals are offering (we're told) a six-year deal with relatively low guarantees and light backside payments.
Another factor that's emboldening the Leinart camp is that the Titans gave quarterback Vince Young a premium deal at No. 3. The thinking is that Young got an "owner's deal" driven by Bud Adams' desire to get Young into camp -- and to stick it to Texans owner Bob McNair by taking care of the Houston native on whom McNair passed. Adams still lives in Houston, and he moved the Oilers to Tennessee a decade ago.
We're also picking up indications that the situation could get ugly. Agent Tom Condon's new partner at CAA, Ben Dogra, isn't afraid to stage a long holdout to get the deal he wants. Dogra did it with Vikings tackle Bryant McKinnie in 2002, and we've heard rumblings that he would have done it with Raiders safety Michael Huff if the Raiders had insisted on a six-year deal for the seventh overall pick. Our guess is that the developing symbiosis between Condon and Dogra could prompt Condon to take a hard line.
Another thing we're hearing is that Leinart believes that Cardinals coach Dennis Green told Leinart when he was drafted that he'd be paid like the star that he is -- that the Cards would "shock the world" with the package given to the No. 10 pick.
But that's not the package on the table, and it appears that the two sides could be digging in for a protracted holdout.
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buckeyeboy
Still fortitudinous
On TV, they're saying that Leinart erred in firing Steinberg in favor of his current agent.
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BuckBackHome
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I think the contract reads that Paris Hilton will not have sex for one year. That shocked the hell out of everyone.
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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-leinartallen080506&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
This article is almost a week old, but it gives some insight into the sticking points of the negotiations.
This article is almost a week old, but it gives some insight into the sticking points of the negotiations.
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buckeyeboy
Still fortitudinous
The article seems a little biased. First, I wonder if Leinart's agent is simply responding with a "No" to any proposals by the Cardinals; the article doesn't say. Second, exactly how much can be gleaned by one contract signed by the No. 10 pick in a different year. Who knows--maybe the Lions overpaid relative to other years or relative to what Williams is worth (I certainly believe the Lions would agree with that in light of Willliams' performance last year and the news that he or Rogers may be cut). I think the more relevant information, given that Leinart was the No. 10 pick, is the guaranteed money received by this year's No. 8, 9, 11, and 12 picks.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
buckeyeboy, I think you also have to factor in the #9 and #11 contracts agreed upon and reported upon ion the earlier posted PFT article. It's clear that everything Condon proposes is being shot down, so that yahoo report is essentially accurate. The side of the story not being reported upon by the yahoo article is how much Condon is asking for Leinart's services.
No matter that Green is coaching in Arizona, the same short-sighted tightwads are running the show.
The new commish should seriously think about forcing a sale. The Bidwells are one of the bigger millstones around the league's collective neck.
No matter that Green is coaching in Arizona, the same short-sighted tightwads are running the show.
The new commish should seriously think about forcing a sale. The Bidwells are one of the bigger millstones around the league's collective neck.
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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
The slotting system is one framework, but it is not the only relevant framework. Whether you like it or not, teams and agents also use the previous year's draft as a framework. For an example of this, look at my previous post in this thread:
When you consider that contracts generally get better year-to-year due to inflation and the rise in the salary cap, and that QBs historically get paid more than WRs, it makes things look even worse. So, QB Leinart is being offered less guaranteed money for a 6-year contract in 2006 than WR Williams was offered for a 5-year contract in 2005.
Throw in that the Cards want a provision that would allow them to take back the signing bonus if they cut him and he gets a signing bonus with another team, and I don't blame Leinart for holding out.
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