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Matt Leinart (FOX CFB Analyst)

i cant say a thing about the kid. he wanted to stay, enjoy being a kid, get his diploma. he didnt get win another nc, or heisman. but i cant say a bad thing about a kid who gets his degree. maybe you guys can, but to some people money is money and life is life. life>>money imo.
 
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On the bright side, Leinart is now at Arizona and not San Francisco, so he won't ever feel any pressure with unfair and way-too-early comparisons to Joe Montana or Steve Young. Hell, he won't even be compared to Jeff Garcia.

Who are the greatest QBs in modern Cardinals history? Jake Plummer and Neil Lomax? :tongue2:
 
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i cant say a thing about the kid. he wanted to stay, enjoy being a kid, get his diploma. he didnt get win another nc, or heisman. but i cant say a bad thing about a kid who gets his degree. maybe you guys can, but to some people money is money and life is life. life>>money imo.

He got his degree last year. That's why he was only taking ballroom dancing this year... to stay eligible to play football.
 
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He got his degree last year. That's why he was only taking ballroom dancing this year... to stay eligible to play football.

If he had graduated last year, he would've needed to take graduate courses to stay eligible for football. The ballroom dancing completed his degree.

What a dumbass. Three groups of three words for Leinhart: "Alex Fucking Smith" "Number One Pick" "San Francisco 49ers".

I find it hard to believe the 9ers were such a lock to take Leinart considering his injuries. He had elbow tendinitis and a sports hernia. After deciding to stay, he had surgery in January for the tendinitis. He wasn't able to start throwing until pretty late in the summer.

So, if he had gone pro he would've had two choices:
1. Have surgery in January and not be able to throw at any workouts.
2. Postpone surgery until April, workout with tendinitis and a sports hernia, and miss all of training camp and most of the season.

Given those two options, I think people are overstating Leinart's '05 draft prospects. He could've slid just like (or worse than) Aaron Rodgers (who everyone thought might be the #1 pick leading up to the draft).

Even Reggie Bush, the closest thing to a lock to go #1, didn't go #1. The difference is, the QB position is drafted more on a need basis than any other position, so QBs have a tendency to slide farther.
 
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i cant say a thing about the kid. he wanted to stay, enjoy being a kid, get his diploma. he didnt get win another nc, or heisman. but i cant say a bad thing about a kid who gets his degree. maybe you guys can, but to some people money is money and life is life. life>>money imo.



I have a pretty good feeling that if he had a do-over, knowing SC would lose and knowing he'd be a 10 instead of a one, he be eating sushi at
Fishermans Wharf right now.
 
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If he had graduated last year, he would've needed to take graduate courses to stay eligible for football. The ballroom dancing completed his degree.

So in other words, he'd completed his degree requirements already and managed to stay an extra year without taking graduate classes--unless you are saying balloom dancing was required for graduation? I seem to remember OSU getting an SI *asterisk* for Andy Katzenmoyer taking a similarly-challenging course load in 1998.
 
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He got his degree last year. That's why he was only taking ballroom dancing this year... to stay eligible to play football.

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methomps post: If he had graduated last year, he would've needed to take graduate courses to stay eligible for football. The ballroom dancing completed his degree.

methomps is correct, he only needed the dance class to complete his degree requirements. See article with the NCAA requirements listed:
Leinart's one class: ballroom dancing

Updated: 10:09 p.m. ET Aug. 27, 2005
QB of 2-time national champion USC only needs 2 units to graduate


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Quarterback Matt Leinart will try to lead the USC Trojans to a third straight national title.

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Matt Leinart would like to dance away from USC with another national championship.
The fifth-year senior will have plenty of time to focus on football in his final season. Leinart is enrolled in one class: Ballroom dancing will fulfill the final elective for his sociology degree, The Los Angeles Times reported.
"I put in my work to get my degree," he told the paper. "I came back for my fifth year, and I'm taking what's necessary for me to graduate. And that's two units."
NCAA rules require student-athletes to enroll in 12 semester or quarter hours unless they are in their final semester or quarter and are taking the courses needed to graduate.
The exception was adopted in 1975 and has been revised, said Brad Hostetter, director of NCAA membership services.
"The goal is for the student-athlete to graduate, and this exception is there to recognize that there are student-athletes that have done their job in the classroom throughout their previous years and have gotten close to graduation," Hostetter told the Times.
He's taking only one class, while seven other fifth-year seniors are working on master's degrees or another bachelor's degree or minor, the Times reported.
"It's all up to the individual," coach Pete Carroll told the paper. "I think they've earned that right. They earned that by hard work."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9087376/
 
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So in other words, he'd completed his degree requirements already and managed to stay an extra year without taking graduate classes--unless you are saying balloom dancing was required for graduation? I seem to remember OSU getting an SI *asterisk* for Andy Katzenmoyer taking a similarly-challenging course load in 1998.

The fact that Matt Leinart only needed to take Ballroom Dancing to complete his degree was well-covered by the media. I read about it in multiple articles, and heard it mentioned on TV several times.
 
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regardless of how many credits he needed....a degree was not the reason he stayed for his senior year. If a degree was that important to him, he could have taken balroom dancing last winter or spring (depending on USC being on quarters or semesters) and still declared for the draft.
 
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The fact that Matt Leinart only needed to take Ballroom Dancing to complete his degree was well-covered by the media. I read about it in multiple articles, and heard it mentioned on TV several times.

Exactly--I read about this several times too, and always wondered why the media was giving Mr. Hollywood a free pass for his cakewalk senior year.

If all he needed was really a 2-credit elective to graduate, only a bureaucrat would honestly say he came back to "finish" his degree.
 
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If he had graduated last year, he would've needed to take graduate courses to stay eligible for football. The ballroom dancing completed his degree.



I find it hard to believe the 9ers were such a lock to take Leinart considering his injuries. He had elbow tendinitis and a sports hernia. After deciding to stay, he had surgery in January for the tendinitis. He wasn't able to start throwing until pretty late in the summer.

So, if he had gone pro he would've had two choices:
1. Have surgery in January and not be able to throw at any workouts.
2. Postpone surgery until April, workout with tendinitis and a sports hernia, and miss all of training camp and most of the season.

Given those two options, I think people are overstating Leinart's '05 draft prospects. He could've slid just like (or worse than) Aaron Rodgers (who everyone thought might be the #1 pick leading up to the draft).

Even Reggie Bush, the closest thing to a lock to go #1, didn't go #1. The difference is, the QB position is drafted more on a need basis than any other position, so QBs have a tendency to slide farther.
This is very similar to what I keep telling people. Bush was as close to a lock for #1 this year, and Leinart was almost guaranteed the #2 slot, when all the "experts" talked immediately following this season. Then he had to do his workouts, interviews, and testing. If Leinart goes through the same crap last year, only without having the surgeries, I think that he would have fallen just as far or farther last year. Then we would have all been talking about how that was a stupid decision for that arrogant prick from Hollywood to think that he was ready to come out early. I guess hindsight is only 20/20 when we get to fill in the blanks about the past.
 
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On the bright side, Leinart is now at Arizona and not San Francisco, so he won't ever feel any pressure with unfair and way-too-early comparisons to Joe Montana or Steve Young. Hell, he won't even be compared to Jeff Garcia.

Who are the greatest QBs in modern Cardinals history? Jake Plummer and Neil Lomax? :tongue2:

Jim Hart wasn't bad, if a starting QB up until 1981 is considered 'modern'. He accounted for 225 TD's.

Although Hart put up impressive numbers at Southern Illinois University, passing for 3,779 yards and 34 touchdowns, he was ignored by NFL teams because he played at a small school that won only 8 games in his three seasons.

The St. Louis Cardinals signed him as a free agent in 1966 and he became the team's starting quarterback the following season when Charlie Johnson was drafted into the Army.

He was named the NFL player of the year after the 1974 season for guiding the Cardinals to the Eastern Division championship. The 6-foot-1, 210-pound Hart completed 200 of 388 passes for 2,411 yards and 20 touchdowns that season.

Hart lost the starting job in 1981 and was released by the Cardinals after the 1983 season. He played one more season with the Washington Redskins and then retired. In his 19 professional seasons, he completed 2,593 passes in 5,076 attempts for 34,665 yards and 209 touchdowns. He also ran for 16 touchdowns.
 
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On the other side of him dropping to #10, he is going to be on a lot better of a team than he would have been if he were in Alex Smith's situation. He is going into an offense with a plethora of weapons, and a chance to turn a decent team into a really good one. I doubt Leinart really grew up rough anyway, and that his family probably has money as it is, so I think that for him to enjoy life, his senior year, and going to a better team is worth alot more to him than a larger contract. I don't blame the guy.
 
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From the sounds of this whole apartment thing that's going on with Jarrett, Leinart's family has plenty of money and that's not an issue at all. Even so, if you were given the opportunity to make 5 million or the opportunity to make 3 million and be "the man" on a campus with more than it's share of fine co-eds for another year, I think I could manage with just 3 million (just throwing random numbers out). Almost every guy I've ever talked to has said "what I wouldn't give to be that young again", Leinart simply took that advice and made the most of a once in a lifetime chance. The money will always be there.
 
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