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Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-17

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Muck said:
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Shit! That thing already has wood! No wonder it got hard up to 34,000ft!
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That's a big part of why commercial passenger flights continue to transit conflicts against rebels/insurgents/etc. The guys on the less 'reliable' side tend to only have access to MANPADS which can't reach the necessary altitude.
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Shit! That thing already has wood! No wonder it got hard up to 34,000ft!
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I'll probably get roasted for this... but conduct a joint investigation coordinated through the UN... find all of the mother fuckers responsible... and make an example out of them.

Sounds easier said than done but better than any greater military involvement.
 
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OH10 said:
I'll probably get roasted for this... but conduct a joint investigation coordinated through the UN... find all of the mother fuckers responsible... and make an example out of them.

Sounds easier said than done but better than any greater military involvement.
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The only problem with that - and I'm not saying I disagree - is two-fold:

1. Who is the UN going to need to back them significantly, both monetarily and militarily?

2. If anything like that is proposed, Russia will veto it in a heartbeat.
 
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Mike80 said:
The only problem with that - and I'm not saying I disagree - is two-fold:

1. Who is the UN going to need to back them significantly, both monetarily and militarily?

2. If anything like that is proposed, Russia will veto it in a heartbeat.
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If Russia vetos it, then NATO should conduct the investigation. If Russia won't back an investigation (both monetarily and militarily), then they've officially shown their cards.
 
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OH10 said:
If Russia vetos it, then NATO should conduct the investigation. If Russia won't back an investigation (both monetarily and militarily), then they've officially shown their cards.
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:lol: NATO won't get involved. That would be exactly the escalation you're trying to avoid.

And for backing it, you know that the UN will look to the US both for military support and money.
 
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OH10, there are five permanent members of the UN Security Council. US, USSR, England, France, & China (?). Anything brought up, passed by the majority of Nations, can be vetoed by any ONE of the members. Ergo, it doesn't happen. USSR will veto anything that would impinge on what they consider to be their territory (as US would do). so the UN is hamstrung, other than maybe a passionate speech or two in the Assembly of Nations. the UN is broke, and has been a drain on the US economy for decades, and the last time there was a dance, Desert Storm, was funded pretty much by the US. Japan was supposed to kick in $10 billion, they wouldn't send troops, but I believe they punked on that debt. The UN is a paper tiger, and has been forever, and without the US of A backing it, it would fold up and blow away like a hankerchief in the desert. Somebody correct me if I've missed anything major, please.
 
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Crashed MH17 flight 'was 300 miles off typical course'
MH17 flight feared to have been shot down over Ukraine was taking a significantly different route to the usual course for flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, according to aviation expert.

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The crashed MH17 flight took a route 300 miles to the north of its usual path, an aviation expert has said.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot who edits Aviation International News Safety magazine, said that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur normally travelled along a route significantly further south than the plane which crashed.

Malaysia Airlines has insisted its plane travelled on an "approved route" used by many other carriers.

But Mr Mark said: "I can only tell you as a commercial pilot myself that if we had been routed that way, with what's been going on in the Ukraine and the Russian border over the last few weeks and months, I would never have accepted that route.

"I went into the FlightAware system, which we all use these days to see where airplanes started and where they tracked, and I looked back at the last two weeks' worth of MH17 flights, which was this one.

Entire article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-flight-was-300-miles-off-typical-course.html

Go to this site: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140718/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

and click on the different dates, you can see the 17 Jul flight ended further north.
 
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