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holybuckeye33
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I remember I once sold an automatic car starter, which was still new and in the packaging, to a person in Canada; the neutral response? "Fast shipment and good communication, but I never installed it so can't say good or bad." Seriously? You're going to give me neutral feedback because your lazy ass didn't install what you purchased? Too bad the statue of limitations has passed. Damn Canadians! :tongue2:
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
eBay fined $63m for selling fake Louis Vuitton
(CNN) -- A Paris court on Monday ordered Internet auctioneer eBay to pay $63 million in damages to Louis Vuitton for selling fake luxury goods online, according to reports.
The court also barred eBay from selling four perfume brands -- Christian Dior, Kenzo, Givenchy and Guerlain, AFP reported.
eBay, the world's largest online auctioneer, said it would lodge an appeal and said the decision was not a victory for copyright law.
"This decision is not based on combating counterfeit material. It is based on LVMH's desire to protect its commercial practices and exclude competition," a spokeswoman for eBay in Paris told AFP.
"This is being done at the expense of the consumers and sellers to whom eBay is always offering opportunities," she added.
eBay was ordered to pay $30.40 million to LVMH and $25.7 to its sister company Christian Dior Couture for damage to their brand images and causing moral harm.
LVMH told AFP the decision was a major coup against illegal Internet sales.
"It is a major first, because of the principles that it recognizes and the amount sought," said Pierre Gode, an aide to LVMH president Bernard Arnault.
The court barred eBay from running ads for the perfume and cosmetic brands or it would face a fine of $79,000 per day.
Entire article: eBay fined $63m for selling fake Louis Vuitton - CNN.com
(CNN) -- A Paris court on Monday ordered Internet auctioneer eBay to pay $63 million in damages to Louis Vuitton for selling fake luxury goods online, according to reports.
The court also barred eBay from selling four perfume brands -- Christian Dior, Kenzo, Givenchy and Guerlain, AFP reported.
eBay, the world's largest online auctioneer, said it would lodge an appeal and said the decision was not a victory for copyright law.
"This decision is not based on combating counterfeit material. It is based on LVMH's desire to protect its commercial practices and exclude competition," a spokeswoman for eBay in Paris told AFP.
"This is being done at the expense of the consumers and sellers to whom eBay is always offering opportunities," she added.
eBay was ordered to pay $30.40 million to LVMH and $25.7 to its sister company Christian Dior Couture for damage to their brand images and causing moral harm.
LVMH told AFP the decision was a major coup against illegal Internet sales.
"It is a major first, because of the principles that it recognizes and the amount sought," said Pierre Gode, an aide to LVMH president Bernard Arnault.
The court barred eBay from running ads for the perfume and cosmetic brands or it would face a fine of $79,000 per day.
Entire article: eBay fined $63m for selling fake Louis Vuitton - CNN.com
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ScriptOhio;1195589; said:
Louis here: Selling fake shit with my name pisses me off even more than other people posting pretending to be me.
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gregorylee
I'd rather be napping!!
BB73;1195603; said:
What the hell ever happened to him? I tried looking up some old posts of his and can't find squat.
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Fuck eBay.
"It is based on LVMH's desire to protect its commercial practices and exclude competition ... This is being done at the expense of the consumers and sellers to whom eBay is always offering opportunities"
What a load of bullshit. eBay has been screwing the customers and implementing measures to cut out competition and drive off the sellers for a few years now. Opportunities my ass! The current system which now prohibits negative feedback from sellers and further penalizes sellers because the customers are either too stupid to figure out the DSR system or are just lazy and impatient is a complete crock of shit. Thanks to this steaming pile, if you sell on eBay and fail to bend over backwards to appease one fucking buyer out of 100, you could get nailed with a hit on your DSR that results in eBay charging you higher fees to list, higher fees to close, and further reducing your listing visibility since the default auction lists have been changed from "Ending Soonest" to "Best Match."
Also, don't forget eBay owns PayPal. So selling on eBay and accepting payment via PayPal means you're getting billed by the same company on both ends of the same transaction.
Again. Fuck eBay.
"It is based on LVMH's desire to protect its commercial practices and exclude competition ... This is being done at the expense of the consumers and sellers to whom eBay is always offering opportunities"
What a load of bullshit. eBay has been screwing the customers and implementing measures to cut out competition and drive off the sellers for a few years now. Opportunities my ass! The current system which now prohibits negative feedback from sellers and further penalizes sellers because the customers are either too stupid to figure out the DSR system or are just lazy and impatient is a complete crock of shit. Thanks to this steaming pile, if you sell on eBay and fail to bend over backwards to appease one fucking buyer out of 100, you could get nailed with a hit on your DSR that results in eBay charging you higher fees to list, higher fees to close, and further reducing your listing visibility since the default auction lists have been changed from "Ending Soonest" to "Best Match."
Also, don't forget eBay owns PayPal. So selling on eBay and accepting payment via PayPal means you're getting billed by the same company on both ends of the same transaction.
Again. Fuck eBay.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
Dryden;1195644; said:
I agree with "fuck ebay", but I have no problem in stopping the sellers from giving negative feedback. In my experience, and I've purchased over 100 things off of ebay, a seller holds the buyer hostage. The buyer is virtually required to give feedback first, and if it isn't positive, then the seller ALWAYS (in my experience) slaps the buyer with negative feedback as well. Feedback is bullshit if that's the case, so I'm glad ebay finally changed it.
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gregorylee;1195633; said:
Banned users don't show up in the list of member names, but you can search for 'Louis here' under posts. Then once you find a LouisHMartinez post, you can click on his username, and then click on 'all posts for this user' when it drops down.
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I've never seen that as a problem. I know its there and goes on, but I don't think it occurs frequently enough to require a change. The bigger problem was that for sellers, morons would purchase an item and select the cheapest shipping option, like USPS Media Mail or Parcel Post to save money, then slap the seller with a neg because it didn't ship fast enough (note the buyer willingly chose the shipping option thats usually 5-10 days). So the sellers said screw it, everything is USPS Priority now, and when that became common place the buyers started slapping the sellers with negs because the shipping charges were too high.FKAGobucks877;1195652; said:
Having lots experience as both a buyer and seller and doing hundreds and hundreds of eBay transactions, eBays biggest problem isn't with seller scams or non paying bidders (those show up at incidents of maybe 1:100), its with buyers that are terminally fucking stupid (1:10).
They deserve to be negged. Some people just should not be allowed on the Interwebs.
But really, the bigger issue is that the playing field now is not level. You say 'feedback is bullshit if that's the case' ... but the reality was that feedback always was bullshit anyway. It was a bogus confidence indicator. At least under the previous scheme the buyer and seller could just flame away and neg each other, or write it off as a bad experience and not rep each other at all, or both put on a false smile and post positive, even if the transaction hadn't gone well. Whatever. It didn't really matter, because in the end, it was only feedback, and the system was hollow. Now, though, feedback actually determines how much the seller will have to pay in fees, and whether their listing can be seen at all. The 5-star, 4-category DSR system, which penalizes the seller REAL WORLD MONEY for any rating that isn't a perfect 5.0, while simultaneously telling the buyer that anything over a 3-star rating is an average transaction or above-average, hurts sellers.
If I sell you something on eBay, and you think it was a good transaction and give me a 4-star seller rating (remember, you're told at checkout that 3 is average and 5 is awesome) I am hurt by that. You could legitimately think the transaction was fine, maybe I live 3000 miles from you and the package took three days to get there instead of two. Maybe my shipping charge was $1.00 more than someone else. Doesn't matter. You, as the buyer, could leave me all four stars thinking it was great, just not 5-star perfect. As a seller, if I get 4-star ratings, that HURTS my business and costs me money. My insertion fees go up. My final value fees go up. My listing visibility is reduced.
Buyers now have ALL the leverage, while the sellers have to pay all the bills.
The old feedback system was shit, but at least it policed itself.
The new feedback system is even worse, and the sellers have no mechanism to see how or why their buyers are rating them the way they are, no opportunity to correct the problem, and no recourse to at least hate the bad, deadbeat moronic buyers out of the community.
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Deety;1196303; said:It was under consideration for display at one point. It's probably good they went with the whole Liberty thing instead.
That chick's got some big ass feet.
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I am a relative novice eBayer. I've never sold on there, but have bought a thing or two on there every couple years or so since 1999.
My impressions of feedback as a buyer: I feel I am pressured to leave positive feedback even if it wasn't an entirely positive experience. I guess I understand now why that is after seeing what Dryden has to say. That's pretty lousy on eBay's part.
Shipping costs are a big deal to me. They seem inflated to me, and again, now I understand why - because dumb people have ruined it for everyone else.
Still though, with that star rating system, I've taken that to heart and gave genuine ratings - expecially if I thought $8.95 was a bit steep for shipping for a video game that could have been sent via media mail - or I'd give a seller a '3' on communication if they didn't email me or if the listing they made was a bit confusing or unreadable.
I guess I thought it was important to reflect what my actual experience was like - even though I'm not dumb enough to think that feedback should be the sole, or even one of the primary factors in determining which sellers to buy from.
My impressions of feedback as a buyer: I feel I am pressured to leave positive feedback even if it wasn't an entirely positive experience. I guess I understand now why that is after seeing what Dryden has to say. That's pretty lousy on eBay's part.
Shipping costs are a big deal to me. They seem inflated to me, and again, now I understand why - because dumb people have ruined it for everyone else.
Still though, with that star rating system, I've taken that to heart and gave genuine ratings - expecially if I thought $8.95 was a bit steep for shipping for a video game that could have been sent via media mail - or I'd give a seller a '3' on communication if they didn't email me or if the listing they made was a bit confusing or unreadable.
I guess I thought it was important to reflect what my actual experience was like - even though I'm not dumb enough to think that feedback should be the sole, or even one of the primary factors in determining which sellers to buy from.
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Jake
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Dryden;1195644; said:
Who is holding a gun to your head making you do business on ebay?
If you want to "fuck" someone start with the idiot users who drive these changes, and the first class tools (and their attorneys) who file fucking lawsuits over feedback.
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