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LB K'Vaughan Pope (transfer to Tenn St)

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
He was waved off by Mitchell, not the coaches. Your complaint was about the depth chart, which is set by the coaches. You really go out of your way looking for problems. It has to be exhausting. It is for me, and I'm just reading your posts.
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I’m not sure what happened with the ‘waved off by Mitchell’ thing. I believe that Mitchell was on the field and told Pope to go back to the sideline, but why would he do that? Don’t the coaches tell the players who goes onto the field? I doubt that Washington said something as direct as ‘Pope, go in for Mitchell’, because in that case Mitchell, even as a captain, shouldn’t be waving a guy off.

Perhaps a personnel package was called/signaled by the coaches, and either Pope or Mitchell misunderstood the call/sign, or one of them incorrectly thought that he was a part of that grouping.

Until I know the answer to that, I’m not sure how to judge the situation.
 
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BB73 said:
I’m not sure what happened with the ‘waved off by Mitchell’ thing. I believe that Mitchell was on the field and told Pope to go back to the sideline, but why would he do that? Don’t the coaches tell the players who goes onto the field? I doubt that Washington said something as direct as ‘Pope, go in for Mitchell’, because in that case Mitchell, even as a captain, shouldn’t be waving a guy off.

Perhaps a personnel package was called/signaled by the coaches, and either Pope or Mitchell misunderstood the call/sign, or one of them incorrectly thought that he was a part of that grouping.

Until I know the answer to that, I’m not sure how to judge the situation.
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So if Mitchell waived him off…does that change what the kid did?
 
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bukIpower said:
Well we wouldn't have kids attempting to get on the field and when they're told no they quit now would we?

Pope clearly had no idea where he stood or else he wouldn't have tried to get on the field.
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Others have approached this by saying you’re assuming a lot. You say you’re not assuming a lot.

So let’s start this earlier in the thought process.

How did you come to the conclusion that there is only one explanation for what you saw? Because in your speculation you can only think of one possible explanation?
If that’s truly the case, you need to work on your imagination. Seriously.

Are the things that happened last night proof positive that there is no depth chart within The Woody and that players don’t know where they stand?

No. It’s not close to being proof of that. This is not a matter of opinion. This is not even a football issue. This is an issue of what constitutes proof. This does not meet any reasonable standard of proof of the things that you are claiming.

A reasonable criticism of the coaches in this situation is to say that what happened last night is something that should not happen in a well run program. I have much else to say about that, but that’s beside the point. The point is, that’s just one example of a topic that we could discuss that sticks to what we know.

Expanding the conversation into speculation is fine if you understand what the limitations of speculation are. But when you mistake the limits of your imagination for proof of… well… anything, then you end up defending the indefensible.
 
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dragurd said:
Sure but signs of the rotation this year don't point to BS but that they really had no clue on the rotation. Now is that perhaps an evaluation issue? Yes but that doesn't necessarily mean they BS'd them
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And while we may not be privy to the depth chart as in years past, you damn well know the kids know where they stand.
 
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