Kobe Scoring Thread (MERGED)

[jimotis4heisman]

i think the comment was aimed out the amount of standing around and piss poor effort shown by the nba players on a daily night.

as far as nba athletes being the best in the world thats debateable. the guys you mentioned hang with or flourish with the nba players in summer leagues, in the nba players sports. line one of them up against freeney and try an dblock him or pace and tell him to get to the qb, or stop nash when he has the puck, or beat tony stewart or wheldon in racing, or tiger in golf. its all relative my friend.

 

[OH10]

i think the comment was aimed out the amount of standing around and piss poor effort shown by the nba players on a daily night.

How much NBA do you really watch on a daily basis to give you this erroneous opinion?

as far as nba athletes being the best in the world thats debateable. the guys you mentioned hang with or flourish with the nba players in summer leagues, in the nba players sports. line one of them up against freeney and try an dblock him or pace and tell him to get to the qb, or stop nash when he has the puck, or beat tony stewart or wheldon in racing, or tiger in golf. its all relative my friend.

No, those players struggle with a watered-down version of what the NBA has to offer. They try to play in summer leagues where the effort is actually what you perceive it to be on a daily basis

As far as combination of speed, strength, agility, quickness, jumping ability, coordination, vision, stamina and instincts (all qualities one should consider a great athlete to have), there is no relativity. There is only a disparity in what makes those other athetes great at what they do. For instance, Nash's skating ability, coordination and hockey instincts.... Pace and Freeney's size/speed/strength combination....Tiger's composure and technique.... Stewart and Wheldon's..... well, that last one is just ridiculous.

But when you combine all of the qualities that make a great athlete, you get NBA players on top. No question in my mind about it. The only other athletes that come close are soccer players.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

How much NBA do you really watch on a daily basis to give you this erroneous opinion?

i watcha a decent amount. ill watch a game on tnt and espnhd and maybe an hdnet game when not much is on. 4 games a week maybe. would you like me to list every game i watch? and i dont have a favorite team.

what percentage of the time are nba players "busting their ass"
what percentage of the time on offense do 4 guys stand around while its a 1v1 game
what percentage of the time does a guy drive to the rim and you think that the defense gives 100%
what percentage of the time do you see 10 guys "sprint" down the floor
what percentage of the time do 7 or 8 guys not even run the floor

 

[scarletngrey11]

I watch Basketball every chance I get, and there are more players playing tough than slacking off.

 

[OH10]

what percentage of the time are nba players "busting their ass"
what percentage of the time on offense do 4 guys stand around while its a 1v1 game
what percentage of the time does a guy drive to the rim and you think that the defense gives 100%
what percentage of the time do you see 10 guys "sprint" down the floor
what percentage of the time do 7 or 8 guys not even run the floor

I think you've been watching too much Drew Gooden and Damon Jones. Those two guys are collectively keeping the Cavs from competing with teams like the Pistons and Spurs who do have 5 guys on the court giving and sprinting their all.

All the people that don't like the way the NBA players play, or at least the way they perceive them to play, should absolutely love the Pistons and Spurs. But, obviously the public doesn't do as they say, because those two teams are perceived as boring.

 

[Brutus1]

There isn't an athlete in the NFL, MLB, NHL, PGA, NASCAR or any other major sports league that could hold a candle to Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Amare Stoudamire, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady.... shit, i could go on. The athleticism is unparalleled.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN HERE. HOW WOULD YOU COMPARE? I SEE NBA PLAYERS GO DOWN ALL THE TIME AND ACT LIKE THEY GOT HIT BY A FREIGHT TRAIN. HOW DO YOU THINK LEBRON,KOBE,AMARE,VC WOULD DO GOING ACROSS THE MIDDLE AND GETTING LIT UP BY ROY WILLIAMS? YOU CAN'T COMPARE, SO I DON'T SEE HOW THEIR ATHLETICISM IS UNPARALLED TO ANY OTHER SPORT.

Do you ever see any NBA players trying to make it in the NFL or high school players choosing football over a possible basketball career. The best athletes would rather play basketball, and when they excel at it, they stick with it. Guys like Tony Gonzalez, Randy Moss, Antonio Gates, and more would all rather have an NBA career.

THAT'S BECAUSE NBA PLAYERS MAKE MUCH MORE COIN, MUCH MORE. I BELIEVE A FAIRLY GOOD NBA ATHLETE RETIRED TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL, AND HE SUCKED. GO BACK TO THE COURT MJ.

If you're not entertained by the sport, that's one thing. But if you don't think these guys are by far the most freakish athletes in the world, then you don't know shit.

They're great athletes, but certainly not "by far the most freakish" of all athlete's

 

[jwinslow]

SDorm, you are stereotyping everyone else in this thread as being ignorant, prejudiced people... and then getting upset with us for our alleged stereotypes.

I love the way the pistons and spurs play. Those that don't have that level of talent/efficiency should be giving even more effort to reach that plateau. Yet that is not the case with far too many players for me to even consider basketball to be as untouchable as you suggest.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. This is the stereotype that forced the NBA to put in a dress code, because the paying public has a distaste for young people that wear chains, have tatoos, and wear cornrows. Which is fine - I have a distaste for chaps, spurs, and cowboy hats. To each his own. But don't let that cloud your opinion of their work ethic and talent.

did I miss something? Are we still in the early portion of last century, where only cornfield hicks play football? I seem to see a heck of a lot of urban flavor in football today, yet somehow we aren't all scared off.

 

[OH10]

did I miss something? Are we still in the early portion of last century, where only cornfield hicks play football? I seem to see a heck of a lot of urban flavor in football today, yet somehow we aren't all scared off.

Easy now. I wasn't trying to say that cornfield hicks play footballl. I'm not sure where that comes from. If I'm referencing anything, it would be rodeo.

I think the biggest difference between football as opposed to the nba with regards to urban flavor is that the flavor is more apparent in the nba. You can't see the football players' tatoos, less players where cornrows because it probably hurts with a helmet on, and there is more of a blue-collar mentality among the guys in the trenches that we, as Americans, obviously can relate to.

SDorm, you are stereotyping everyone else in this thread as being ignorant, prejudiced people... and then getting upset with us for our alleged stereotypes.

Actually no. I responded to one poster who referred to NBA players as lazy, selfish, and only care about gold-plated cars. That is exactly the stereotype I was addressing. Before that, I stated that I understand why Buckeye fans are generally not going to be pro basketball fans, and it was based on a "stereotype" of sorts that Buckeyes love college football, which is extremely different than pro basketball. I believe that's just a matter of preference on the part of Buckeyes, and not a product of any stereotype they have about the NBA necessarily.

I love the way the pistons and spurs play. Those that don't have that level of talent/efficiency should be giving even more effort to reach that plateau. Yet that is not the case with far too many players for me to even consider basketball to be as untouchable as you suggest.

I don't necessarily believe that it is the effort that is holding the rest of the league back. Rather, the Pistons and Spurs both have a special cohesiveness built on roster consistency. When you feel comfortable with another player on the court that you've been playing with a long time, you're going to work well together as a team. The Heat obviously missed that memo by trying to overhaul a very good team that just needed time for the role players to grow.

The Pistons and Spurs are a product of a well-built roster, good coaching, and a winning mentality that comes, obviously, from winning.

 

[akronbuck]

if there are players like Artest in the NBA, theres going to be a bad feeling towards NBA players

last year , taking time 0ff from playing to produce his 1st all girl band. Did I miss something? iHe's such an idiot

There are a few that stand out but, the media does'nt let us now when they do great things. Like manute bol in africa, Garnett down in New orleans,,,,,,,,,,,

There are a few teams in the NBA that play as a team.Thats why I love college bball

 

[barlow1802]

Kobe ask Winslow , how to ride a motorcycle :)

Oh winslow... that muthafuckin soldier

 

[jwinslow]

the difference is I can't think of a single position where NFL athletes go through the motions on a few plays. Those that do are replaced. Randy Moss is one of the few that comes to mind, but most WRs would be cut if they took plays off like he does.

I responded to one poster who referred to NBA players as lazy, selfish, and only care about gold-plated cars.

jotis defended that one poster, and you responded with this: How much NBA do you really watch on a daily basis to give you this erroneous opinion? So it wasn't hard to think that you were addressing a larger group.

I don't necessarily believe that it is the effort that is holding the rest of the league back. Rather, the Pistons and Spurs both have a special cohesiveness built on roster consistency. ... The Pistons and Spurs are a product of a well-built roster, good coaching, and a winning mentality that comes, obviously, from winning.

I don't disagree with this, but you seemed to be making a different point before (listed below), which is what I responded to:

I think you've been watching too much Drew Gooden and Damon Jones. Those two guys are collectively keeping the Cavs from competing with teams like the Pistons and Spurs who do have 5 guys on the court giving and sprinting their all.

All the people that don't like the way the NBA players play, or at least the way they perceive them to play, should absolutely love the Pistons and Spurs. But, obviously the public doesn't do as they say, because those two teams are perceived as boring.

can't speak for the rest of the nation, but I love the way the pistons play. They are the one family team I actually kept rooting for when I grew up, with my mom being from detroit.

 

[akronbuck]

Thats why I love watching the pistons and spurs because, they play true team ball.

Watch out for the young bulls and clippers with all there young talent and desire to win.

 

[OH10]

the difference is I can't think of a single position where NFL athletes go through the motions on a few plays. Those that do are replaced. Randy Moss is one of the few that comes to mind, but most WRs would be cut if they took plays off like he does.

And I can't think of too many in the NBA, but I don't have the package, so maybe I'm missing a lot. The NFL is not like the NBA either. In pro football, players on average only play half of the game, and they play 16 games a year, of which every single one of them are big if a team wants to make the playoffs. There is also rest in between plays. NBA players will log 2/3 to 3/4 to even 5/6 of a game like Lebron James does. Absent fouls or timeouts, it is non-stop action the entire time, playing both sides of the court. There are 82 very important games a season, but if you look at it on average, one game in the NBA is not as important as one game in the NFL. So, obviously, you are going to see players more fatigued and apathetic in the NBA, but I challenge that it is very few.

jotis defended that one poster, and you responded with this: How much NBA do you really watch on a daily basis to give you this erroneous opinion? So it wasn't hard to think that you were addressing a larger group.

I certainly wasn't attacking JOtis. I respect his opinion, but I feel it is erroneous. I watch as much NBA as I can given my channel limitations and I can tell you that I see players busting their ass a lot more than I see anyone slacking off. And again, no, I wasn't addressing the larger group. I can see how you might see it that way, but it was in response to a post made in response to me.

I don't disagree with this, but you seemed to be making a different point before (listed below), which is what I responded to:

No, its the same point. I wasn't referencing the entire league when i called out damon jones and drew gooden. I used them as two of the few examples of lazy play in the NBA. But, if I wanted to use two teams as example of what I believe to be the true NBA, you'd be hard pressed to find any better examples than the Spurs and Pistons.

can't speak for the rest of the nation, but I love the way the pistons play. They are the one family team I actually kept rooting for when I grew up, with my mom being from detroit.

Obviously, I can't speak for anyone in particular. But the ratings for the Finals last year were terrible. I hear people all the time say they don't watch the NBA because there are lazy players with no fundamentals. Then two teams like the Spurs and Pistons match up in the Finals, and no one wants to watch that. Do people just not know what they want?

There are a few teams in the NBA that play as a team.Thats why I love college bball

I love college ball for that reason as well. But in my mind the NBA just has a better brand because of the things you can see done on the court by athletes who just seem inhuman, and then to watch them try and stop each other. The only thing I really dislike about the NBA is the officiating, which is about as bad as it gets in pro sports.

 

[Brutus1]

All the people that don't like the way the NBA players play, or at least the way they perceive them to play, should absolutely love the Pistons and Spurs. But, obviously the public doesn't do as they say, because those two teams are perceived as boring.

People that don't like the way NBA players play, dn't care for the NBA anyway. The public doesn't do as they say because the NBA, more than any other league, is marketed by individual superstars. It's all about the few players, not the teams. Aside from the Pistons, most good teams have a star.

Forget all other NBA players, LeBron is all that matters. He does something every game that makes you say wow!!. His shot selection needs work sometimes, but he seems to get better every game, and, unlike Kobe, he makes the others around him better. Just ask that non-playing stiff Carlos Boozer,

 

[OH10]

Well, great timing over on Espn.com. They're doing a poll on which game you'd rather watch on Christmas.

Heat vs. Lakers 56%

Spurs vs. Pistons 44%

That's a fucking joke.