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Kirk Ferentz (four more B1G COY Awards than Tressel and Meyer combined)

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jarv said:
Guys, I think Kirk would agree that he's no Woody Hayes.

But he's coached at one place for 30 years and unlike the last guy to do it, didn't have a major, major scandal. Pretty commendable to stay in one spot and not take off the moment he's offered anything else, especially in this day and age. He might be the last to ever do it.
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They had the rhabdo thing in 2011, a recruiting violation regarding Cade McNamara, and a flare-up on racial discrimination just a few years ago.

Some of those things were smaller stories because it was at Iowa.
 
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Look at Gundy and Oklahoma State as a comp of sorts.

Middle weight programs, you build something with some reasonable success and you can stay as long as you want (mostly).

Gundy just did a 20+ year stretch. I think a lot of the COY's super power is that he's just been willing to stay at freaking Iowa for a long time.

I'm biased I guess because I hat ethe media driven narrative for coaches that "do more with less". If you have been there more than three years you are the one who recruited the "less". Why do guys like COY and Bo Ryan get a pass for that?
 
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I agree with your general point, and Gundy's a perfect comp (Fleck might end up being an even better one) but as much as I don't like him and he can "deal with it", Count Chocula had a pretty damn good record.

First, 4 D III nattys and over a .900 winning percentage at Wisconsin-Platteville. Then, in fourteen years at Wiscy, he won four regular season BIG Titles (twice winning both the regular season and conference title) and one additional conference tournament title, had three second place finishes and never finished worse than fourth, never missed the NCAA tournament, and had a national title game appearance, a national semifinal appearance, an Elite 8 and four Sweet 16s with only two first round losses.

All that said, Cignetti is really fucking up the narrative for these kinds of guys for what the ceiling of success is at a middlewight (or lighweight) program.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
I agree with your general point, and Gundy's a perfect comp (Fleck might end up being an even better one) but as much as I don't like him and he can "deal with it", Count Chocula had a pretty damn good record.

First, 4 D III nattys and over a .900 winning percentage at Wisconsin-Platteville. Then, in fourteen years at Wiscy, he won four regular season BIG Titles (twice winning both the regular season and conference title) and one additional conference tournament title, had three second place finishes and never finished worse than fourth, never missed the NCAA tournament, and had a national title game appearance, a national semifinal appearance, an Elite 8 and four Sweet 16s with only two first round losses.

All that said, Cignetti is really fucking up the narrative for these kinds of guys for what the ceiling of success is at a middlewight (or lighweight) program is.
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Jury is still waaayyyyyyy out on IU and Cignetti but overall I do think the transfer portal is the great equalizer for programs like IU. It is if nothing else a chance where as before, they had no chance at competing with the heaviest weights
 
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