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Juniors leaving early - speculation thread

I think that a huge part of underclassmen entering the 06 draft is the impending CBA that is to be discussed this summer. There has been a lot of talk about a rookie salary cap in 07. I would think that would sway a large portion of people that are on the fence
 
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I think that a huge part of underclassmen entering the 06 draft is the impending CBA that is to be discussed this summer. There has been a lot of talk about a rookie salary cap in 07. I would think that would sway a large portion of people that are on the fence

You make a good point but that salary cap should only be heavily affecting those in the top half of the 1st round. The rest of the salaries are fairly predictable over than language, length, incentives. This cannot affect to many potentials that are contemplating declaring early, less than 10, maybe 5 could be drafted in that area.

Young should go this year, especially if they win the NC. Look a Leinart, he most likely has cost himself millions by coming back.
 
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LaMarr Woodley is coming back, he announced shortly after the OSU game. I don't think Woodley would even go that high if he tried to come out early. He had a pretty good freshman season, and was a beast his sophmore and jr. seasons, but he hasn't put up the sack numbers yet.

I think he'd be a late 2nd, early 3rd rounder if he came out, and he's doing the right thing coming back. If he puts up double digit sack numbers as a senior (say 12) and tests well at the combine, then he might be a 1st rounder. I don't think NFL teams like drafting 6-2, 270 pound DE's in the 1st round unless they've produced big-time. I think Woodley could stand to actually drop some weight and get down into the 260's.
 
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Update on Holmes, Whitner and Youboty.

Younger Buckeyes examine draft options
Holmes probably is gone; Youboty, Whitner are iffy
Monday, December 26, 2005
Ken Gordon and Tim May
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Should I stay or should I go? For some, like Ohio State receiver Santonio Holmes, it’s pretty clear. For others, like safety Donte Whitner, it’s a knotty dilemma. It’s that time of year, anyway. As the Buckeyes prepare for their Jan. 2 date with Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl, thoughts already are turning to the 2006 season.

No matter what, OSU’s stellar defense will take a hard hit. Seven senior starters will be lost.

But if the seniors are joined by two underclassmen, Whitner and cornerback Ashton Youboty, the Buckeyes could be looking at scorched earth. They would return only two starters and have to replace their entire back seven.

So, no pressure, Donte and Ashton, but what will it be?

"I’m not leaning one way or the other," Whitner said. "Right now, I just want to send the seniors out of here and make a decision after the bowl game."

Both Whitner and Youboty have filed with the NFL to help determine their potential draft status. The league has an advisory board that gives underclassmen feedback on where they might be drafted if they come out.

"You’re just curious about what they think about you; it’s something I think everybody ought to take advantage of," Whitner said. "If the reports are very favorable, then you really have to think about what you’re going to do."

Youboty had similar sentiments.

"I just want to see what they have to say and then I’ll go from there," he said. "I know I have an opportunity and I am going to look into it, but I’m not really in a rush to get out of here."

On this topic, OSU coach Jim Tressel takes a wide-angle view. He could be protective of keeping his players as long as possible.

But when he recruited these guys, part of the sales pitch was how many players the Buckeyes send to the pros. So he can’t exactly turn around and try to bar the door if they’re ready to go.

"When they’re an underclassman, we talk about the fact that if they’re going to be a first-round draft choice, they probably need to consider (leaving), just from a business standpoint, if you will," Tressel said. "When you get that information back (from the NFL), then you can sit back and have some discussions."

He has lost only three early entry players in his previous four seasons at OSU: cornerback Derek Ross (taken in the third round by Dallas) and tight end Darnell Sanders (fourth, Cleveland) in the 2002 draft and cornerback Chris Gamble (first, Carolina) in 2004.

Tressel said he likes getting a feel for a player’s draft status.

"Sometimes, we’ve had some guys get some draft-status reports back that have motivated them," he said. "They say, ‘Oh my gosh, I thought I’d be better than that,’ and all the sudden, maybe you had seen a little downshift in the work ethic (prior to getting the report), and so I don’t think it’s a bad thing. The truth is always good."

If Holmes leaves, it certainly won’t devastate OSU’s offense: The Buckeyes will return seven starters even if he leaves, and the receiving corps is stocked with Ted Ginn Jr., Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall and a slew of promising younger players.

But, more to the point, Holmes is almost guaranteed to be a first-round pick, according to draft experts. It is not a particularly strong receiver class, and Holmes is considered one of the top two or three.

"Once the quarterback (Troy Smith) got into rhythm, Holmes put up some really nice numbers," draft analyst Jerry Jones said. "Everybody liked him at the beginning of the season, and he’s come out and done what was expected out of him.

"I don’t know how he turns down the first-round possibility."

OSU has had four receivers drafted in the first round since 1995: Joey Galloway, Terry Glenn, David Boston and Michael Jenkins.

"That’s why I came here, to become a first-round draft pick, knowing the history of all the receivers that have made a legacy here and in the NFL," said Holmes, a Florida native. "I just really wanted to be part of that trend."

The only catch is Holmes said he wanted to be near the top of the first round.

"I don’t want to be (No.) 20, 25, 30," he said.

That might not be realistic. Jenkins, who is bigger than the 5-foot-11, 190-pound Holmes and more of a prototype NFL receiver, was "only" the 29 th overall pick of Atlanta.

But at least Holmes knows he’s a firstrounder. Youboty likely is a borderline choice between the first and second round, and Whitner is viewed more as a thirdround choice, Jones said.

"Youboty is getting some high marks," Jones said. "Whitner is a longer shot. He would probably benefit from staying. You don’t see too many safeties drafted high and he would be competing with some very good ones in the senior class."

Whitner agrees in principle with Tressel’s philosophy that first-rounders should consider leaving and others are better off staying.

But that’s easier said than done. Financial considerations are paramount, and even a third-round draft choice is looking at a signing bonus in the neighborhood of $1 million.

For those who didn’t grow up with much, that’s powerful incentive. "I kind of agree with (Tressel), he’s been around for a long time," Whitner said. "Some people have different situations and some people might just have to go. "It’s always good to have options, instead of somebody telling you that you have to return for your senior year. Having an option to go or to stay, that’s a good thing."

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"Youboty is getting some high marks," Jones said. "Whitner is a longer shot. He would probably benefit from staying. You don’t see too many safeties drafted high and he would be competing with some very good ones in the senior class."

Well I guess im not up to date with Youboty being ready for the draft. He's one of the better open field tacklers but one on one he more often than not gets beat. He's a solid DB when we play or "dink and duck(forget who called it that)" zone covereage but I cant seem him covering a NFL reciever. Some examples when he was one on one and got beat.. badly: Texas on the last touchdown when he got flat out burned and salley was a split second late trying to help his ass, Every play it seemed against Minnesota when he needed to step up and lock down his man while we sat on the run, and pretty much every deep ball completed on us is thown his way it seems. I think it was Illinois who also picked on him all day. Illinois has been pumping out NFL recievers and QBs left and right so maybe thats not fair for me to mention. :pimp:

His a nice kid, a solid player but I laughed when I heard he filed for the NFL draft. He needs another year here to get some more practice and game experince before making the leap to the NFL.

The right decision, IMO is to stay another year and improve. Im biased because another offseason he will be that much better for us. Not to mention most of the Silver Bullets are already going.
 
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Well I guess im not up to date with Youboty being ready for the draft. He's one of the better open field tacklers but one on one he more often than not gets beat. He's a solid DB when we play or "dink and duck(forget who called it that)" zone covereage but I cant seem him covering a NFL reciever. Some examples when he was one on one and got beat.. badly: Texas on the last touchdown when he got flat out burned and salley was a split second late trying to help his ass, Every play it seemed against Minnesota when he needed to step up and lock down his man while we sat on the run, and pretty much every deep ball completed on us is thown his way it seems. I think it was Illinois who also picked on him all day. Illinois has been pumping out NFL recievers and QBs left and right so maybe thats not fair for me to mention. :pimp:

His a nice kid, a solid player but I laughed when I heard he filed for the NFL draft. He needs another year here to get some more practice and game experince before making the leap to the NFL.

The right decision, IMO is to stay another year and improve. Im biased because another offseason he will be that much better for us. Not to mention most of the Silver Bullets are already going.
more often than not he gets beat? Then he must be getting beat about 8-10 times a game... he needs some extra work but you're perception of his ability is a little skewed. The minnesota game has been discussed in full, but I suppose hip flexors are not a big deal.

Do you remember last year, when he guarded two AA WRs (Stubbefield & Edwards) in successive weeks, and they did nothing against him?

You laughed when he filed for the NFL? This kid is not shazor. Give the kid some credit... I think he needs more work but you act as though he is a huge liability in our defense.
 
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I dont mean to seem as though he is horrible. I understand he had a hip pointer, but for him to be one on one with their number one reciever makes me wonder what tressell was thinking putting a player on the field who was unable to cover him. (sarcasm)

I laughed when he filed because i never enteratined the thought of him leaving. I guess JT has spolied me with only 3 players leaving early.

Also I dont recall teams throwing at youboty 12-15 times a game. Even 10 times. Thats off the top of my head, the only games I do recall alot of passing in his direction is Illinois and Minnesota.

I didnt mean to trash him like I did now re-reading my post. Youboty would serve himself well to comeback for another year.
 
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filing for the NFL doesn't mean you are going to go pro... in this case it may, but I believe AJ did the same thing and he was a 100% lock for coming back last year despite being a first round pick.
 
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I have a feeling Whitner is leaning towards coming out early. Just the way he was quoted in today's dispatch piece. Sounds like he is justifying leaving early even if you are not a 1st rndr.

I think Ashton comes back, and I hope Whitner stays, we shall see.
 
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There is absolutely no reason for Holmes to stay for his senior (5th) year...none. He's one of the very top WRs in the country and has two little mouths to feed. He's gone, and I hope he's an upper first round pick and makes a shit-load of money.

Mili, I agree that the right thing for him to do in his situation is leave, especially since I understand his girlfriend has another on the way. But there are reasons to come back. Most of his offensive teammates are coming back, including his QB, so his numbers should be better next year. His size is always going to be an issue, but guys like terry glenn (similar size) went #4 (I believe). Also, Holmes' foot should be fully healed by next season.

What's done is done, but a little family planning would have given the opportunity to make what i believe is not such a cut and dry decision. I don't know them personally, but I can only imagine motivations that would cause someone to have 3 kids out of wedlock by age 22.
 
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strohs said:
Santonio should pull a McGahee and take out an insurance policy on himself, then return for next year.
With the entire offense (nearly) back, he is virtually guaranteed to put up big time numbers
im not sure, but i dont think his family has the $ to buy one. maybe they do but they arent cheap for a full season.
 
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The NCAA obtains the insurance on behalf of the athlete. There are limits on the amount of insurance an athlete may apply for. Attached is a recent article that appeared in the Indy Star.

NCAA offers insurance program
Hoosiers' Wright is one player who has purchased policy to protect future.

Indiana's Bracey Wright (4) took advantage of the NCAA's insurance program to protect future earnings. -- Tom Strattman / Associated Press

by Jeff Rabjohns
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February 1, 2005

While insuring high school athletes is a recent phenomenon, insuring potential professional earnings in sports isn't new.

The NCAA has offered insurance to athletes in certain sports for 15 years.

The program began in 1990 and was offered to men's basketball and football players. Baseball was added in 1991, men's ice hockey in 1993 and women's basketball in 1998.

Between 100-150 athletes participate in any given year, estimated Juanita Sheely, coordinator of travel and insurance for the NCAA.

"Probably 75 percent are football players and most of the rest are men's basketball players," she said. "There are only a few others."

Indiana University junior basketball player Bracey Wright said he bought an insurance policy two years ago. He declined to give any details.

"It's always a smart thing for an athlete to have insurance because you never know what could happen," Wright, the second-leading scorer in the Big Ten, said.

"Bizarre things can happen in sports, and I just thought it made a lot of sense to cover myself. You can have your career end at any time and if you hadn't taken any precautions, it would be something you would kick yourself about for the rest of your life."

To be eligible, an athlete at an NCAA institution must apply. The NCAA then conducts a confidential evaluation. To receive insurance, a football or hockey player must be projected to be taken in the top three rounds of the professional draft; athletes in the other three sports must be projected as first-round selections.

Once a player is admitted, the NCAA secures a loan for the student with no cosigner or collateral required. The loan must be repaid once the student exhausts his or her eligibility or is injured and collects on the insurance.

The maximum coverage in men's basketball is $4.4 million; the low end is about $500,000. The maximum for football is $3 million, for baseball $1.5 million, for men's ice hockey $1.2 million and for women's basketball $250,000. The coverage is approximately half of the expected contract.

Premiums can run from $4,000 to $20,000 for a year of coverage.

Sheely said interest in the program escalated after Willis McGahee suffered a severe knee injury in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl. McGahee had secured an insurance policy prior to the game. He never collected, however; he recovered and was drafted by the Buffalo Bills, for whom he now plays.

"After the McGahee incident, I've been contacted by more high school parents that I ever have been in the past, especially in basketball with more kids going from high school to the pros," Sheely said.

Star reporter Terry Hutchens contributed to this report.

Call Star reporter Jeff Rabjohns at (317) 444-6183.
 
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