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Jim Tressel (National Champion, ex-President, Youngstown State University, CFB HOF)

TDG;1594474; said:
To be honest I didn't feel like the offensive playcalling was conservative compared to last week, I really thought he called a pretty good game. My issues with playcalling are more on the defensive side... not his domain.

Congrats to the Vest for taking us to another BCS game, one that I think we've all wanted to be in for quite awhile. Here's to hoping he can get his annual win over Michigan, and a bowl win! :oh:

:io: and Golds Pants for all.
 
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As Michigan week is upon us, I feel it is time to reflect just a little bit upon why we love Jim Tressel so much.

This Buckeyes team is a good one. We have talent galore. We have two losses, but we are a very good team.

This Michigan team is outright awful. One of the worst they've had in decades. They are fighting for bowl eligibility.
It should be a blowout.

If this was Cooper, I would be pissing my pants with nervousness. I would not be confident at all. I would be flat-out scared of this Michigan team, simply because it is the nature of this rivalry that amazing upsets happen.

But this isn't Cooper, it's Tressel. Am I sure we'll win? Heck no. It is still the nature of this rivalry that amazing upsets happen, and it always will be.
But I am confident that if we lose, it will be because of a freak miracle. Not because we weren't 100% ready.

Jim Tressel may very well be the finest coach tOSU has ever had, and never forget it.
 
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Pat Forde's article re: the Iowa game and my response . . .

I thought Pat Forde's article on the OSU-Iowa game was well done.

Jim Tressel and the Ohio State Buckeyes got it done their way - ESPN

Here's the rather wordy commentary I e-mailed to him, (returned because he apparently doesn't ever empty his e-mail), which I paste here just to see what, if any, reaction there is to it. It like to think that it tries to explain why I find it so frustrating to be a Buckeye fan right now despite being in what is, for the most part, a glorious era of Buckeye football.

"As an OSU alum and diehard Buckeye fan, I have to compliment you on this article, which was accurate, well-written, and fair.

Being an Ohio State football fan right now is incredibly frustrating because this era reflects the whole history of the program: Great overall success leading to a grossly disproportionate number of bridesmaid rather than bride finishes due, in large part, from being afraid to win games on offense. Based on his success at YSU, I thought Jim Tressel would be different, that he would finally be the "closer" Ohio State has needed . . . and with the help of a once in a generation DL and an overconfident opponent he did manage to close the deal once. Based on the overall strength of OSU's entire athletic department and fanbase, OSU's inherent recruiting advantages over all but a handful of schools (USC, UT, UF and maybe just a few others), and the weakness of the rest of the Big Ten, this should be the "Golden Era" of Ohio State football, and it almost is, but the limiting factor is Jim Tressel's refusal to recognize the flip side of his strengths.

As far as Jim Tressel's strengths go, he IS a great coach overall because he's both a great human being and a "grinder", which translates into strategic, persistent recruiting success, the building of a team full of character (reflected in their resilience after tough losses, their perennial academic success, and, for the most part, their good conduct), meticulous planning, generally outstanding defensive and special teams, and an utterly unflappable demeanor in the face of adversity. There is nobody on Earth I would rather have to run a college football program that alums can be proud of "in the class room, in the community" and, for the most part, on the field, and there is no rational argument to fire him and perhaps get stuck with another Earle Bruce or John Cooper.

The flip side of all his genius for preparation and control and his even keel is that it makes him a lousy offensive coach and playcaller because there's an emotional and instinctual element of feel to offensive play calling that simply isn't consistent with being an even-keeled, ultra-prepared control freak who thinks that the job of offense is "not to lose." I beg for the OSU offense to hurry up to the line after the defense forces a big turnover or something otherwise favoring the offense occurs and throw a play action pass or a misdirection pitch even as I KNOW that Jim Tressel is going to eliminate all momentum gained by having the offense shuffle up to the line, wind down the clock, and run the ball up the middle (Exhibit A: OSU's possession yesterday after Iowa kicked the ball out of bounds and tacked on a personal foul giving OSU the ball on the Iowa 45 and Terrelle Pryor's visible emotional deflation from the obvious lack of his head coach's trust). I beg for the OSU coaches to have a plan B involving misdirection and screen or shuffle passes on days when the offensive line isn't holding up against a tough pass rush (did OSU's staff not watch the film of Kentucky beating LSU in 2007 before getting utterly outcoached by Les Miles' staff in the BCS championship game?). I see a team that recruits at least top 25 offensive talent perennially finish in the bottom half of the national offensive rankings, even as the defense is perennially in the top 10, and wonder, "how can Jim Tressel not recognize that he himself, and to the extent that they have significant input the rest of his offensive coaching staff, simply aren't getting it done?

I've read Jim Tressel's book and do like to think that Jim Tressel is a great man, but a great man can recognize his own weaknesses, and act accordingly to put the team's needs ahead of his own. Jim Tressel hasn't, and that makes me question my assessment of him as a man even more than my assessment of him as a coach. I believe that if Jim Tressel decided next year to keep doing 90% of what he's doing (even though the play "not to lose" mentality sometimes creeps into the defense, it's not IMO a significant problem there with even reasonably competent offense) but brought in an aggressive, young hot shot QB-coach offensive coordinator and turned him loose to develop an offense and call plays without interference, that OSU would embark on a run of dominance of a kind rarely seen in college football. Unfortunately, I know that Jim Tressel won't do this and have to hope instead that the current staff can nonetheless develop Terrelle Pryor's skills sufficiently that he can transcend the handicaps placed upon him by the offensive, philosophy, system, and play calling, and lead OSU to the national championship in 2010 (BTW, if Gibson and Heyward don't go pro, there is no reason whatsoever that OSU, based on their schedule, should do anything less than go 12-0 and be at least highly competitive in the BCS championship game next year even if Jim Tressel doesn't make any offensive changes).

In sum, OSU currently looks a lot like 1980s Nebraska, and it's a crying shame, because they could be 1994-1997 Nebraska. A circus clown could perennially win 7-8 games at OSU, but while Jim Tressel has shown that he's far better than a circus clown, OSU is long overdue to have more than mere consistent success. OSU should have its magic decade where 3 or 4 crystal footballs find their way to Columbus . . . and it could . . . if only Jim Tressel would show the self-awareness, humility, and cojones to recognize the flip side of his strengths and let it happen.
 
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Jagdaddy;1595245; said:
I thought Pat Forde's article on the OSU-Iowa game was well done.

Jim Tressel and the Ohio State Buckeyes got it done their way - ESPN

Here's the rather wordy commentary I e-mailed to him, (returned because he apparently doesn't ever empty his e-mail), which I paste here just to see what, if any, reaction there is to it. It like to think that it tries to explain why I find it so frustrating to be a Buckeye fan right now despite being in what is, for the most part, a glorious era of Buckeye football.

"As an OSU alum and diehard Buckeye fan, I have to compliment you on this article, which was accurate, well-written, and fair.

Being an Ohio State football fan right now is incredibly frustrating because this era reflects the whole history of the program: Great overall success leading to a grossly disproportionate number of bridesmaid rather than bride finishes due, in large part, from being afraid to win games on offense. Based on his success at YSU, I thought Jim Tressel would be different, that he would finally be the "closer" Ohio State has needed . . . and with the help of a once in a generation DL and an overconfident opponent he did manage to close the deal once. Based on the overall strength of OSU's entire athletic department and fanbase, OSU's inherent recruiting advantages over all but a handful of schools (USC, UT, UF and maybe just a few others), and the weakness of the rest of the Big Ten, this should be the "Golden Era" of Ohio State football, and it almost is, but the limiting factor is Jim Tressel's refusal to recognize the flip side of his strengths.

As far as Jim Tressel's strengths go, he IS a great coach overall because he's both a great human being and a "grinder", which translates into strategic, persistent recruiting success, the building of a team full of character (reflected in their resilience after tough losses, their perennial academic success, and, for the most part, their good conduct), meticulous planning, generally outstanding defensive and special teams, and an utterly unflappable demeanor in the face of adversity. There is nobody on Earth I would rather have to run a college football program that alums can be proud of "in the class room, in the community" and, for the most part, on the field, and there is no rational argument to fire him and perhaps get stuck with another Earle Bruce or John Cooper.

The flip side of all his genius for preparation and control and his even keel is that it makes him a lousy offensive coach and playcaller because there's an emotional and instinctual element of feel to offensive play calling that simply isn't consistent with being an even-keeled, ultra-prepared control freak who thinks that the job of offense is "not to lose." I beg for the OSU offense to hurry up to the line after the defense forces a big turnover or something otherwise favoring the offense occurs and throw a play action pass or a misdirection pitch even as I KNOW that Jim Tressel is going to eliminate all momentum gained by having the offense shuffle up to the line, wind down the clock, and run the ball up the middle (Exhibit A: OSU's possession yesterday after Iowa kicked the ball out of bounds and tacked on a personal foul giving OSU the ball on the Iowa 45 and Terrelle Pryor's visible emotional deflation from the obvious lack of his head coach's trust). I beg for the OSU coaches to have a plan B involving misdirection and screen or shuffle passes on days when the offensive line isn't holding up against a tough pass rush (did OSU's staff not watch the film of Kentucky beating LSU in 2007 before getting utterly outcoached by Les Miles' staff in the BCS championship game?). I see a team that recruits at least top 25 offensive talent perennially finish in the bottom half of the national offensive rankings, even as the defense is perennially in the top 10, and wonder, "how can Jim Tressel not recognize that he himself, and to the extent that they have significant input the rest of his offensive coaching staff, simply aren't getting it done?

I've read Jim Tressel's book and do like to think that Jim Tressel is a great man, but a great man can recognize his own weaknesses, and act accordingly to put the team's needs ahead of his own. Jim Tressel hasn't, and that makes me question my assessment of him as a man even more than my assessment of him as a coach. I believe that if Jim Tressel decided next year to keep doing 90% of what he's doing (even though the play "not to lose" mentality sometimes creeps into the defense, it's not IMO a significant problem there with even reasonably competent offense) but brought in an aggressive, young hot shot QB-coach offensive coordinator and turned him loose to develop an offense and call plays without interference, that OSU would embark on a run of dominance of a kind rarely seen in college football. Unfortunately, I know that Jim Tressel won't do this and have to hope instead that the current staff can nonetheless develop Terrelle Pryor's skills sufficiently that he can transcend the handicaps placed upon him by the offensive, philosophy, system, and play calling, and lead OSU to the national championship in 2010 (BTW, if Gibson and Heyward don't go pro, there is no reason whatsoever that OSU, based on their schedule, should do anything less than go 12-0 and be at least highly competitive in the BCS championship game next year even if Jim Tressel doesn't make any offensive changes).

In sum, OSU currently looks a lot like 1980s Nebraska, and it's a crying shame, because they could be 1994-1997 Nebraska. A circus clown could perennially win 7-8 games at OSU, but while Jim Tressel has shown that he's far better than a circus clown, OSU is long overdue to have more than mere consistent success. OSU should have its magic decade where 3 or 4 crystal footballs find their way to Columbus . . . and it could . . . if only Jim Tressel would show the self-awareness, humility, and cojones to recognize the flip side of his strengths and let it happen.

I think he wrote a particularly fetid piece of crap. It was a poor attempt by a member of the press to sanction a coach simply because he plays to win rather than thrill fans between commercials.

Jagdaddy, this is a rebuilding year and I think your expectations differ greatly to mine. I can't agree with much of the criticisms you raise.
 
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Steve19;1595254; said:
I think he wrote a particularly fetid piece of crap. It was a poor attempt by a member of the press to sanction a coach simply because he plays to win rather than thrill fans between commercials.

Jagdaddy, this is a rebuilding year and I think your expectations differ greatly to mine. I can't agree with much of the criticisms you raise.

Fair enough. With this DL, I don't view this as as much of a rebuilding year as some do and think the offensive talent, while inexperienced, is, minus Beanie of course, generally upgraded over 2007 and 2008. More significantly, I think the USC loss is directly attributable to scared coaching and that yesterday's game could easily have been lost due to both the usual offensive turtling and and an inexplicable decision to be vanilla in the pass rush until very late in the game against a QB starting his first game. I don't want to hear OSU's head coach saying at halftime that a home game against an Iowa team w/o its starting QB or RB that just put up 10 points against Northwestern, is going to come down to the final play and then shackle his offense to guarantee that his prediction is accurate.

More generally, however, I believe that OSU generally and Tressel's regime in particular have almost everything in the world going for them right now except for a willingness to acknowledge that, based on a mountain of statistical and visual evidence, Jim Tressel as a play caller and the offensive staff haven't been and aren't currently doing a very good job. It's such a glaring weakness, over time, relative to everything else in the program, that arrogance and/or stubborness seem to be the logical explanations.
 
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Jagdaddy;1595264; said:
Fair enough. With this DL, I don't view this as as much of a rebuilding year as some do and think the offensive talent, while inexperienced, is, minus Beanie of course, generally upgraded over 2007 and 2008. More significantly, I think the USC loss is directly attributable to scared coaching and that yesterday's game could easily have been lost due to both the usual offensive turtling and and an inexplicable decision to be vanilla in the pass rush until very late in the game against a QB starting his first game. I don't want to hear OSU's head coach saying at halftime that a home game against an Iowa team w/o its starting QB or RB that just put up 10 points against Northwestern, is going to come down to the final play and then shackle his offense to guarantee that his prediction is accurate.

More generally, however, I believe that OSU generally and Tressel's regime in particular have almost everything in the world going for them right now except for a willingness to acknowledge that, based on a mountain of statistical and visual evidence, Jim Tressel as a play caller and the offensive staff haven't been and aren't currently doing a very good job. It's such a glaring weakness, over time, relative to everything else in the program, that arrogance and/or stubborness seem to be the logical explanations.

Like going for it on 4th down instead of trying to kick a field goal that would led to overtime at the least?
 
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Jagdaddy;1595245; said:
I've read Jim Tressel's book and do like to think that Jim Tressel is a great man, but a great man can recognize his own weaknesses, and act accordingly to put the team's needs ahead of his own. Jim Tressel hasn't, and that makes me question my assessment of him as a man even more than my assessment of him as a coach. I believe that if Jim Tressel decided next year to keep doing 90% of what he's doing (even though the play "not to lose" mentality sometimes creeps into the defense, it's not IMO a significant problem there with even reasonably competent offense) but brought in an aggressive, young hot shot QB-coach offensive coordinator and turned him loose to develop an offense and call plays without interference, that OSU would embark on a run of dominance of a kind rarely seen in college football.

A lot of this letter sounds like you're questioning Jim Tressel's character as a man just because you don't like how he runs his offense. If so... wow.

Also interesting that you suggest the 2010 team might be able to win it all in spite of the man who has built this program to the level where the letter-writers can have such ridiculously high expectations. I do hope your letter leads to a lasting friendship with Pat Forde.
 
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Yeah, I don't understand the logic here. You want a coach who wins games. That what JT does. He may not have a lot of pizazz, but he wins. You can crow all you want about his losses in big games, but the bottom line is that Jim Tressel consistently wins games. If you want to cry about how it's boring and you can't write an article about a team that punts and kicks field goals, be my guest. But until JT stops winning games, he's our guy. All things being considered, I think he's going to be our guy until he decides to leave, because, as Al Davis said, he just wins, baby.
 
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If Nate Williams times the snap correctly, we don't even have this conversation.

Here's a serious question: if you're a coach and think that the odds are good that you can/will win in overtime, why not do what Tressel did and play to go to OT? Perhaps he knows that we don't run a two minute offense very well, and OT tends to favor the better defense due to the short field.

Did anyone have any serious doubt that we'd win in OT? I didn't. When Ferentz decided to just run the clock out, I took that as him practically guaranteeing a Buckeye win. If there was a coaching mistake, that was it, and he was spooked by the near pick-six Vandenberg had thrown. Seriously, go to OT on the road against a defense that's top 5 nationally? As far as the arguments that Barclay wasn't reliable enough, it's not as if Iowa could dig up 30 more seconds of eligibility for Nate Kaeding all of a sudden.

It may have pissed of Greg Doyel, Pat Forde, and a significant percentage of fans at the game and watching on tv, but it worked. The ORIGINAL game plan also worked, and had us up by two scores at the start of the fourth quarter, and solidly winning on both sides of the ball. Special teams misfires helped spark Iowa back into the game, not ultra-conservative play calling. As Pryor pointed out, OSU was able to pound the ball on Iowa all night, and we came three yards away from having two hundred yard tailbacks in one game. When was the last time the Buckeyes did THAT against a highly ranked defense like Iowa??

We've talked ALL season long about "putting players in a position where they can succeed". Can we now acknowledge when the staff has done exactly that? 103 yards for Saine, 97 for Herron, and 14-17 passing for Pryor with no turnovers. I would humbly suggest that Tressel and the staff put their best offensive players in positions where they could succeed against what is probably the second best defense in the Big Ten and probably a top ten defense nationally.

Combined with the PSU game, these are the two best back-to-back games played by any OL in Tressel's tenure, IMO, and they've done it against two outstanding defensive lines. They won field position despite a very off night from our punter, they sustained drives, controlled the clock, had no turnovers and scored enough points to overcome both breakdowns on defense and on special teams. No, it's not Texas Tech or "basketball on grass" or any other ESPNism one wants to spit out, but it was good, sound football, and ultimately what proved to be sound game management.

It's also sending Ohio State to the Rose Bowl, while the most "exciting" offense in the conference will finish with one conference win and be ineligible for a bowl.

I'll take it.
 
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Everybody always wants to crticize play calling and consevative play..We are not at practice..if we never complete a certain play in practice why call it in the game..I always here run the "fade" or some other route..but if the O can't execute the plays in practice why call it in the game even if the D is giving it to you. Our line and backs have been in and out with injuries suspensions or whatever.its amazing the O has any success at all.
 
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