Gatorubet;1469965; said:
No doubt. Especially not if the former player was like on College Gameday or something.
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No doubt. Especially not if the former player was like on College Gameday or something.
That is the journalism part. Shane and Herbie can say what they want on their shows, but I doubt that Herbie bad mouths Tress to your big boosters or discourages recruits from going to tOSU.
Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
Crap! Well, I admit that I did not follow your program [read: pollute your board] in 2004, so I was unaware of that.
So it seems that Herbie was called publically out by tOSU Athletic Director Andy Geiger.
Which is, of course, completely different than Shane being called out by Meyer for doing the same things. :p
( So Capo - that was like - what - a sympathy post?
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So it seems that Herbie was called publically out by tOSU Athletic Director Andy Geiger.
Which is, of course, completely different than Shane being called out by Meyer for doing the same things. :p
( So Capo - that was like - what - a sympathy post?
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Gator, your UF squad has the privilege of being coached by a brilliant head coach. Urban Meyer is without question one of the finest minds in the game of football, and he has taken full advantage of the inherent qualities of Gainesville and the University in order to secure phenomenal talent to load the Gator football team. You can be justifiably proud to have this excellent coach, and I know you are.Gatorubet;1469965; said:
With that being said, Jim Tressel is a rare leader who exhibits Christian values in a way that I've seldom seen on the national scene. He's obviously not perfect, but he does not "go off" on anyone, even those who have demonstrably damaged the program and publicly trashed him (Maurice Clarett ring a bell?). Meyer handles things like the Matthews situation differently -- probably about the way I would; that doesn't mean he handles them as I would idealize. Suggesting that the leadership styles of Meyer and Tressel are comparable? That's just absurd.
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
MaxBuck;1469994; said:
Thank You.
MaxBuck;1469994; said:
I think you are inferring from my statement a position that I do not take. They are very different men personality wise, and they indeed do have different leadership styles - at least superficially. They both stress hard work, family, academics, and team over self. The substance and character of each man - to me - is very similar.
And by me saying "not put up with it", I am saying that if Tress was being back stabbed with the boosters and if someone were damaging recruiting, then I have to say I would be shocked if Tress just put up with it sans comment or action. With his style I would guess he might do a face to face or pick up the phone and discuss it. I would expect that he would do so in a professional manner, i.e., by not yelling or being confrontational, but by appealing to the person's intellect and the "better angels" of his nature. He might have his AD address it, or some third party who knows both parties and who Herbie respected.
I could see it go many ways. But if you are saying that Tress would flat ignore those negative influences by a well known former player - and ignore the negative effects it had on the program, then I would be shocked and surprised. And while I would admire his Christian turn-the-other-cheek attitude, as a fan of the program I would be disappointed and want him to address it for the sake of the program.
My focus was not to denigrate Tress or his consummate class in handling the press and fans and his job. That is a given. My point was to say that slamming Urban for the Matthews situation is not fair, and that bringing in Tress as a counter point was not the best way to go. As Grad points out, your AD did not let it go unaddressed as well. I don't think that your AD was out of line, nor do I think Meyer a petty man who is a hypocrite for bringing up former player loyalty in a similar situation either. The point is, when that situation comes up, it needs to be addressed by somebody. Meyer did. And I bet that Tress would not let it go unaddressed as well, although he would likely do it in a way that did not get any press on him.
So to that extent the comparison in styles is fine. I just don't get why the man who addresses it is panned as a hypocrite for addressing it.
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NightmaresDad
Woody Rules!
Well, one thing is not debatable, and that is that Sean McClelland is a douche.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
Gatorubet;1469965; said:
that was pretty clear from the article. one verbal barrage from both sides seemed a bit much a do about nothing. certainly didn't warrant an article. seemed rather clear there was either more going on or a very slow news day.
would copying a link to the clarrett thread be out of line here? i can't think of any occasion in which jt publicly blasted a former player for any reason. in fact, im pretty sure he has made positive statements about every former player regardless of how much mud slinging they did.
with that being said, i don't have a single problem with what meyer said. i certainly wouldn't have a problem with meyer refusing to allow whats his face interviews or access to himself or his team. if you want to shoot your mouth off about a team or individual, don't get surprised if that team or individual takes it personally. you certainly have no right to call foul if they take whatever measures are necessary to distance themself from you.
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EidoloN
Faces don't get pregnant.
Coach Tress stopped through my base on the way overseas, so he, Wake Forest Coach and the Air Force Coach were at our gym from 0830-1030 this morning. Man, it was a long wait to get to Coach Tressel, he had the longest line the whole day. I thanked him many times for going to support fellow troops, and to take time out to visit us even though he was leaving to head to Germany that same day. The coaches brought a whole lot of things and were giving them away. So I took some shirts and hats, and had JT sign them, and I also brought along The Winners Manual so he could sign it for me. What a stand-up, classy guy. He is the epitome of a Buckeye! I added a couple pics of the wife and I with The Man, and I told him I hope I see him again on September 12.....
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Re: Dan asked Tressel which he'd ideally like to have join the Big Ten. Tressel wouldn't comment directly on the odds of Notre Dame joining the conference. Tressel said one downside is that Notre Dame wouldn't enlarge the geographic reach of the conference. Tressel asked if Notre Dame would add market. Tressel also said there are lots of other factors.
That's not exactly true, as Notre Dame has a substantial "national following". There are a significant number of Notre Dame fans in every state in the union.
That's not exactly true, as Notre Dame has a substantial "national following". There are a significant number of Notre Dame fans in every state in the union.
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jimotis4heisman
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thanks to you for your service. and for all those on active duty, reserve and vets.EidoloN;1473717; said:
kudos to all these coaches, for their time/energy. i think sometimes they underestimate the impact they might have.
ive been told that it has to be an adjacent state to join and those are the ones that would be key... (id guess and look at the rutgers, cuse, mizzou, (nebraska-who allegedly wanted in in the worst way in the 90s)ScriptOhio;1473722; said:
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chillinvillian
BAM!
EidoloN I was there today to!! Man am i stoke i will up load my pictures tonight!! He signed my fear the vest shirt and gave me a his book and I asked him to sign it to my Dad! Great guy it was a honor and a privilage to met him! 
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