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CincyInterloper
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If regardless means without regard, does irregardless mean not without regard?
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CincyInterloper
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I was thinking about where I’d like to see Franklin go, and I believe I’d like him to go to UCLA and finally get a win against a top ten team by beating Penn State.
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Will always be remembered fondly for looking at his predecessor's 5-7 record against Ohio State and saying, "hold my beer".
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calibuck
Too soon old, too late smart
Always been my experience that everyone follows the Golden Rule. He who has the gold, makes the rules. While maybe not standing at the front of the pack, probably think that Nike/Adidas or whomever might suggest things to the AD. They give big bucks to adorn the players with their logos, so invariably want those logos to show up in bowl games, on better teams. To send the message, "If you wear Nike, then you'll play great". Or at least look great. That's called advertising. Ergo, the better the team, the more cameras/games/exposure. Not certain how this differs much from the well-heeled alum who donates big bucks to the program annually. Anyone know how the Buckeyes would look if Wexner was a huge football fan? Methinks plenty different than they do currently.
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It's been my experience that people/organizations operate from a place of power or self interest, gold or no gold.
How does getting involved in who the coach of a client school is or isn't, help an apparel company in either regard? They are partnering with the brand not a coach.
This was 100% donor driven.
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Jagdaddy
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At Penn State, James Franklin was standing on the edge of a cliff for years. Here’s why
Penn State seemed built to contend and riding recent good vibes. In reality, it was one of college football's most fragile teams.
www.nytimes.com
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Because the company is also signing deals with individual players......and if the program craters because the coach is losing games, those deals with individual players become a bigger waste of money than $50 million.
Just an uneducated guess.
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Apparel companies have continued to sponsor awful teams and the players on them for ever.
It's like recruiting, the short term wins and losses don't change brand values.
Unless the coach does something toxic off field no sponsor is going to tell a school to fire the coach and if they did, they school would tell them to fuck off (assuming they didn't want to actually fire him). They'd just go do a deal with the competition.
This reminds me most of when Phil Mickelson switched golf gear ( I forget what brand to what brand) if the new company would pay off his gambling debts. This was something PSU was doing no matter what, if they happened to have some new cash then so be it but the giver of the cash didn't cause the debt.
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After a disastrous end to their 2023 season, the Buckeyes convinced several key NFL eligible players (Henderson, Sawyer, Tuimoloau, Egbuka, Burke, etc.) to return for a title run in 2024. Midway through the season, the Buckeyes lost to the #3 Oregon Ducks on the road, at night, in a one-point game that came down to the final play. Even though it was the proverbial "good loss" (a win for an SEC team), Ryan Day allegedly semi-demoted DC Jim Knowles because he (Day) wasn't happy with the performance of the defense in that game. The Buckeyes would go on to win their next five games (including #3 Penn State and #5 Indiana) before suffering an unfathomable loss to scUM to end the regular season.
After the scUM loss, the players held a team meeting (famous in retrospect, infamous at that time). Very few people inside Buckeye Nation felt that the team would achieve any success in the playoffs (despite the fact that they remained the betting favorites to win it all), and the team meeting was apparently evidence that the wheels had fallen off and the season would end badly (Spoiler: it did not).
Penn State entered the 2025 season in a similar place. After a deep playoff run that should have been one game deeper, the Lions convinced several key players to return for one more shot at the title – Drew Allar, Dani Dennis-Sutton, Nicholas Singleton, Kaytron Allen, Nick Dawkins, Zane Durant, and Zakee Wheatley, with Singleton saying: "The reason why I came back was just how the season ended. Everybody was upset, and most of the players that we came in with as freshmen were coming back to compete for a championship." After Penn State suffered a similar "good loss" to Oregon, most observers believed that this was just a predictable bump on the rough road to the playoffs. But after really bad losses to UCLA and Northwestern in subsequent weeks, the preseason #2/#3 team in the country is completely out of the playoff picture and might not even finish bowl eligible.
For some reason, James Franklin let a minor setback become a season-ending and program-altering event from which Penn State will not soon recover. I've never seen a coach lose a team so quickly, and it is especially baffling because Penn State was still a consensus top-10 team and playoff favorite even after the "good" Oregon loss. There was probably a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, enough to allow a small crack to turn into a burst dam, and Franklin simply could not (or didn't want to) plug all the holes before the crisis ensued. And that failure cost him his job.
In any event, props to Ryan Day and the senior leadership of the 2024 Buckeyes to overcome the adversity and dissension and finger-pointing that could have ruined that memorable season. It was a great accomplishment and it did not come easy. Just ask James Franklin.
After the scUM loss, the players held a team meeting (famous in retrospect, infamous at that time). Very few people inside Buckeye Nation felt that the team would achieve any success in the playoffs (despite the fact that they remained the betting favorites to win it all), and the team meeting was apparently evidence that the wheels had fallen off and the season would end badly (Spoiler: it did not).
Penn State entered the 2025 season in a similar place. After a deep playoff run that should have been one game deeper, the Lions convinced several key players to return for one more shot at the title – Drew Allar, Dani Dennis-Sutton, Nicholas Singleton, Kaytron Allen, Nick Dawkins, Zane Durant, and Zakee Wheatley, with Singleton saying: "The reason why I came back was just how the season ended. Everybody was upset, and most of the players that we came in with as freshmen were coming back to compete for a championship." After Penn State suffered a similar "good loss" to Oregon, most observers believed that this was just a predictable bump on the rough road to the playoffs. But after really bad losses to UCLA and Northwestern in subsequent weeks, the preseason #2/#3 team in the country is completely out of the playoff picture and might not even finish bowl eligible.
For some reason, James Franklin let a minor setback become a season-ending and program-altering event from which Penn State will not soon recover. I've never seen a coach lose a team so quickly, and it is especially baffling because Penn State was still a consensus top-10 team and playoff favorite even after the "good" Oregon loss. There was probably a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, enough to allow a small crack to turn into a burst dam, and Franklin simply could not (or didn't want to) plug all the holes before the crisis ensued. And that failure cost him his job.
In any event, props to Ryan Day and the senior leadership of the 2024 Buckeyes to overcome the adversity and dissension and finger-pointing that could have ruined that memorable season. It was a great accomplishment and it did not come easy. Just ask James Franklin.
