• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
lvbuckeye said:
I think what is getting lost on this page of the debate, is that the FSUPD, the TPD, and the FSU adminstration ALL ran cover for Jameis.
Click to expand...
This is the sort of crap that disturbs me greatly about Big College Football, though clearly different schools will define their metrics of moral rectitude at different latitudes. Unfortunately, Florida State appears to have decided to set the bar somewhere well south of the equator.
 
Upvote 0
Signed Winston items top 2,000

An in-depth search of the verification page on the James Spence Authentication website reveals the company has authenticated more than 2,000 signatures by Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston, up from the more than 900 signatures that were found on the site's database earlier this week.

James Spence, the authentication company's owner, told ESPN on Thursday he will not reveal the identity or identities of the customers who submitted the signed Winston items for authentication. Spence also won't verify the number of items because he says his database is not searchable by name.

But Spence does stand by his company's opinion that the signatures are real. Spence also said that no one at his company has any knowledge of whether the clients who submitted the Winston items paid the Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback for his signatures.

Spence said that as of noon Thursday, no officials from Florida State had called to inquire how Spence's company authenticated as many signatures as it did. ESPN reported earlier this week that Florida State's compliance department was looking into how so many Winston signatures were submitted to JSA.

Asked if anyone has talked to JSA, Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher said Thursday, "I have no info. That's our compliance and the AD and those guys handle that stuff. I'm coaching football."

Winston has signed a tremendous number of autographs in public, particularly at baseball games, but the fact that hundreds of signed jersey numbers and more than 50 signed jerseys, photos and minihelmets were sequentially numbered by the authentication company's website suggests the possibility that the signatures might have come from an organized signing event.

"No one who is not a dealer is going to submit that many autographs at one time," said Matt Powers of Powers Collectibles in Kansas City, which sells the autographs of more than 1,000 athletes. "But besides the number, the giveaway of the JSA authenticated items that you can see on eBay, that suggests it was a sit-down signing, as the consistency of autograph, the cleanliness of the autograph and the fact that the autograph is signed in the perfect place over and over.

"Jameis might have signed a lot of autographs, but when he is doing so in public, he's not 100 percent focused," Powers continued. "Someone might be chatting with him, he might be signing with different pens on different surfaces like on someone's hand or shoulder. What's out there being sold is just too good."

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11711799/signed-jameis-winston-items-top-2000-website
 
Upvote 0
kujirakira said:
A lot of hullabaloo in that article about "due process" and "kangaroo court"... and yes, it's true to some extent.
But since when has a work place been required to prove an employee has broken the law in order to discipline or fire them? Fundamentally, there is a very similar relationship at Universities.
If you sexually harassed somebody at a work place, it's probably going to be handled by HR -- without much in the way of "due process"; and certainly less than you'd get at an Ivory Tower. There may well be comparable policies about "creating a hostile environment" and other, relatively arbitrary, limitations on behavior.
It's a very simple process -- if you don't like their (arbitrary) rules, go somewhere else. It's even easier than dealing with an employer since you're the one paying them. Take your business to another institution.

But the article jumped the shark for me when it complained that Winston wouldn't be allowed to bring up her sexual history... and then the very next paragraph talks about how Winston could be subjected to "irrelevant" or "unfair" forms of evidence ?? Um... how does sexual history have anything to do with the topic? Seems like the author is implying you can't be a victim of rape unless you're a virgin?
The examples the author claims for such "irrelevant" and "unfair" forms of evidence are basically anything that impugns Winston's character (stealing, bb guns, tourettes, etc.) ... so... victim having previously had sex means a potential rape victim isn't reliable, but don't bring up actual illegal activities in the case of the alleged assailant ? Ummm...?
Click to expand...
Agreed. In addition the penalties faced by the FSU hearing or HR meeting would be much less stiff than that of a legal proceeding, kicked out of school vs years in prison. Then it makes spence that it would be easier to be judged guilty by a school or workplace.
 
Upvote 0
lvbuckeye said:
I think what is getting lost on this page of the debate, is that the FSUPD, the TPD, and the FSU adminstration ALL ran cover for Jameis.

This wouldn't be an issue if those people had done their jobs.

And let's not forget that the accuser has a Constitutional RIGHT to her day in court.
Click to expand...
Yes, if FSU didn't have his back over the last 2 years he might be in prison right now.
 
Upvote 0
Having not read the article, CookyPuss is correct. This hearing at FSU is NOT a court of last resort - not even close. The hearing has NOTHING to do with criminal liability and the hearing itself IS Due Process, not the lack thereof. This hearing is what is required prior to kicking Winston out of school. In the employment context it is what's known as a Loudermill hearing. Whether or not that's a "Kangaroo Court" or not is irrelevant. One's recourse for an unfavorable decision is to take it to Court in a civil action.
 
Upvote 0
cincibuck said:
So what are you saying here, Akak, that the victim in this case is Jameis?

This is the court of last resort for the victim. The police, the city, the state and especially the university have conspired to keep her case from having a fair and open hearing and if things are going against the male side - and by that I mean the perp, the cops, the city, the state and the school - it may well be because they all conspired to keep this woman, all women, in her/their place.
Click to expand...
My initial response to AKAK's post contained an unnecessary sarcastic remark that implied that AKAK was not sympathetic to the victim in this case. I apologize for that. That was not my intention at the time, but in re-reading I can certainly understand why he would be offended. As he states at the end of his post, "to have Jameis Wintson be the poster child for this abuse is absurd, and probably the worst thing imagineable, but "trying" someone for rape in something other than a real courtroom, civil or criminal, is a joke."

My anger is not aimed at AKAK or his position on due process, but that in this particular case the victim has been denied her due process and the right to having her case dealt with in a timely, appropriate and professional manner by university, municipal and state authorities. To now have Jameis's right to due process defended is, as AKAK points out, necessary and just. Two wrongs do not make a right.
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top