Is this guy full of crap

[Buckin' A]

Dear God,

Could we please have just have one thread that Teddy does not relate some under water snorkle swim team story to.

Thank you.

 

[Buckeye513]

Mencia is hilarious.

All he does is make over-used race jokes.

 

[sears3820]

All he does is make over-used race jokes.

Boy that sounds familiar....

 

[tedginn05]

Dear God,

Could we please have just have one thread that Teddy does not relate some under water snorkle swim team story to.

Thank you.

Snorkle?

 

[buckiprof]

NYB is onto something.

Observe:

Nice to see some elementary power series and golden ratio too. I can now send my Calc II students to this thread as illustration on why they need to suffer through infinite series. I mean, how else will they be able to tell if someone is bullshitting them about being able to bench iambrutus?!

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Boy that sounds familiar....

 

[sears3820]

False alram, it was just a nibble.

 

[NewYorkBuck]

Actually torque is for twisting.

Yes, and at the point of maximum resistance, where the elbows are roughly at 90 degrees (right off the chest), the snapshot of the problem is best charaterized by torque, or twist. The twist would be about the shoulder socket, and the force applied by the chest muscle would be right in front of the socket. (Huge mechanical disadvantage - quite amazing the nominal force the chest muscles can produce.) The opposing force would be the weight at the elbows at 90 degrees. This is given by r x F, which is maximum when r and F are at 90 degrees. This is why it is so much easier to lift at the end of the press than at the beginning - eventhough the weight is exactly the same throught the press, the maximum torque is required at the beginning when the elbows are bent. This is why you see most bench presses fail there than any other place. Failure at the top and middle (at least as it relates to the chest muscles) is usually because of muscle fatigue, not physics.

In this case, work is not the correct equation to use. Work is indeed given by force times distance, but at the time of failire, you are not moving the weight very far at all, indicating you are not doing much work at all because the d is so small. At the time a long armed guy is failing, his is doing almost the same exact work that a short armed guy is (the arc of the weight moving is almost the same over the first few inches), but the amount of torque that each much produce because of different r's is very different. Again, at 90 degrees - it is a proportional relationship - a guy with 10% longer shoulder to elbow length must produce 10% more force with his chest muscles.

For those who posted the power series above - wise guys..... :tongue2:

 

[NorthShoreBuck]

I would disagree.
Torque is what is used when doing curls or triceps extensions.
The reason most fail at the beginning of the lift is inertia and momemtum.
While I would agree there is a slight curve in the path of the bar. I am looking at the path of the bar, the weight. You are looking at he motion of the joints. That is why the bench, squats and deadlift are referred to as complex movements I would guess.

I could not remember what the equation was for. I have been in sales too long and out of engineering even longer.

 

[NewYorkBuck]

I would disagree.
Torque is what is used when doing curls or triceps extensions.
The reason most fail at the beginning of the lift is inertia and momemtum.
While I would agree there is a slight curve in the path of the bar. I am looking at the path of the bar, the weight. You are looking at he motion of the joints. That is why the bench, squats and deadlift are referred to as complex movements I would guess.

I think the problem you are having is looking at it over the entire path of the bar. You do not fail over the entire path - you fail at a point, and failure at that point is because of torque, or lack of it.

Also, when you see a guy fail from a max out, what does it typically look like? He moves the bar about an inch or two, and then stops and goes back down. If failure was due to lack of momentum, he wouldnt be able to move it at all in the first place. The reason he can move it at the beginnign is because the elbows are quite at 90 degrees yet - he still does not have to apply maximum force.

Think about it a bit.

 

[tyrus]

My high school record is 415. The guy who did was about 6' 200 lbs.

 

[ScarletBlood31]

One of the guys I play rugby with swears he benched 405 last week. I'm starting this thread b/c I just saw that Aram Olsen, the #1 FB in this year's class weighs approx. 245 and benches 400. The guy here is 40 years old and is probably about 205 and looks solid, but not freak of nature strong. We don't go to the same gym, so I can't really verify it. I want to call bullshit on him, but would like some other, more knowledgeable opinions first.

I'd have to actually see the guy, and what kind of 205 he is. I mean you got guys that are 205, but are just all fat, or a mix of muscle and fat, or guys that are just flat out strong.


I'd believe the guy could bench 400, but then again I'd have to know him and see if he's the type of guy who would bullshit around like that.

It's probably more like 350, and he exaggerated up to 400, but still 350 is a man's max-out.

 

[ScarletBlood31]

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/earl_boykins/printable_player_files.html


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Earl Boykins, as listed above, is 5'5", 133 pounds but can bench 315. So you do the math, with the same body weight to bench press ratio that Boykins has (2.37 pounds of bench press per pound of body weight) , your friend could potentially bench 485.5 pounds, if he weighs 205 pounts

So it's your call.

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[stxbuck]

One of the guys I play rugby with swears he benched 405 last week. I'm starting this thread b/c I just saw that Aram Olsen, the #1 FB in this year's class weighs approx. 245 and benches 400. The guy here is 40 years old and is probably about 205 and looks solid, but not freak of nature strong. We don't go to the same gym, so I can't really verify it. I want to call bullshit on him, but would like some other, more knowledgeable opinions first.

I have a friend of mine, 30 years old, about 5-10 195-200, and he benches 365-I watched a video of it the other day, and has benching 400 by summer as his goal. He is solid as a rock, but doesn't look pumped up or anything. I think your friends claim is reasonable. If you look at Olson's photo on scout or rivals-it is obvious he weightlifts for looks as well as power-his biceps and delts are well sculpted-exercises that really have no football value, but do get a reaction from the ladies. Olson looks like what people expect someone who benches 400lbs to look like.

 

[BuckBackHome]

This is like a knock-down, drag-out nerd fight between NYB and NSB!

Time for a bench press-off. My vmoney is on NSB!

Maybe you boys need to spend more time sitting at the bar as opposed to lifting it.