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Is the big 12 overrated?

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All right, all right, all right.
colin cowherd thought so, what do you think and what makes you think that? this thread can sure start some great arguements so lets get to it.

i think its overrated, oklahoma at #5? losing their 9 year senior quarter back, mark clayton and standout o-linemen along with some playmakers on defense, they shouldnt be this high.

texas, they are a great team but they should NOT be #2, they cant beat oklahoma and until they can do that then they cannot be given this credit, if they had a better gameday coach then yes they should be #2. its starting to be a joke, every year we hear this is the year they beat oklahoma, every single year.

its true that they do beat up on low big 12 teams you cant argue that, 77-0, when is the last time a big 10 game went like that?
 
I don't know if the Big 12 is overrated, but I was shocked to see that OSU was no better than 9th in the coaches poll.

QB questions + no running game in 2 years + losses to Iowa, Purdue and Northwestern = 9th must be the thinking.
 
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First of all, I agree 100% that the Big 12 is over-rated. The Bucks had a mediocre team by our standards last year, but we were the most physical team Okie State played? That is a huge statement against the power of the Texas and Oklahoma teams (I assume they each played Okie State). Oklahoma has looked sorry in their last two NC games, and it's about damn time they stop getting the nod to play in the game over more deserving teams. Texas Tech doesn't even play football, and I still say the Big 12 should ship them over to the Pac 10. Kansas State makes a name for themselves by beating up on cream-puffs (a la Minnesota) in the preseason. Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Colorado are has-beens. Kansas, Baylor, Iowa State, and Mizzou are never-beens. The only team worth anything is Texas. Are they a legit #2? I don't know, but we'll find out on September 10th.

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texas, they are a great team but they should NOT be #2, they cant beat oklahoma and until they can do that then they cannot be given this credit, if they had a better gameday coach then yes they should be #2. its starting to be a joke, every year we hear this is the year they beat oklahoma, every single year.
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Secondly, I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. The Bucks were handed the #1 ranking going into the 98 season, remember? How was our record against our arch rival at that time? How good was our gameday coach? How many of us thought we didn't deserve that ranking until these issues were resolved?
 
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When the Big 12 began, it was clearly overrated, IMO. I don't know that the Big 12 is overrated now just because they've done a pretty good job on their own the last few years of making more and more people like Cowherd see the light with bad bowl losses.
 
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that is true, good point, but im gonna say that cooper was more successful against michigan than mack brown is again oklahoma(0-5). The main thing i disagree with is the fact that #2 cannot beat #5 to save their lives.
 
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scarletngrey77 said:
but im gonna say that cooper was more successful against michigan than mack brown is again oklahoma(0-5).
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Coop was 2-10-1 against scUM

You are correct in your assessment in terms of winning percentage...but I don't think either coach is worth a piss in their respective rivalry game.

Not much of a point there...
 
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cincibuck said:
I don't know if the Big 12 is overrated, but I was shocked to see that OSU was no better than 9th in the coaches poll.

QB questions + no running game in 2 years + losses to Iowa, Purdue and Northwestern = 9th must be the thinking.
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Thirdly, I still think it's amazing how much we forget how dismal last year was shaping up to becoming. Granted, I'm STILL flying high after hammering Michigan and Okie State, but that was a rough October. A loss to Northwestern???? WTF??? Then Wisconsin at home??? Then to get completely destroyed by Iowa??? Ouch. Buckeye fans are quick to explain those games with: the o-line hadn't gelled yet, and Troy wasn't the starter, and Ginn and Gonzo weren't entrenched in the offense yet, or Fox was hurt, or Dantonio was sorely missed still,.... Granted, I'm one of those Buckeye fans. However, those games aren't explained away as easily by the rest of the football world. Troy Smith wasn't putting up the greatest numbers (until the Michigan game), so the analysts probably don't think he's the savior of this football team. Zwick had one really good game, so he probably hasn't converted a lot of believers yet either. The red-zone offense was horrible (even against Michigan), so how good could the o-line really be? Gonzo had only 8 catches, so how entrenched is he? Bottom line, the Bucks ended the season 19th, so a 9th place opening rank is showing a ton of respect for this program in my oppinion.
 
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i would much rather have embaressing losses at the beginning and middle of the year than end. alot of other team's fans dont seem to understand that its better to lose to northwestern at the beginning of the year then screw up at the end, im tired of hearing from ignorant idiots, "yeah but they lost to northwestern!!!"
 
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The Big 12 is always ridiculously overrated. You can see that every year when the bowl games roll around. Think of Miami against Nebraska back in 02, Okie against SC last year. Texas always has a tough team, but with Mack Cooper, er I mean John Brown coaching them.........I dont see them ever winning those 2 big games that end the year :)

Even Coop got lucky and won the Rose in 96 (not to take anything away from the team that year, but we all know what Coop was like). Texas did the same last year. Course they were playing a horribly slow Michigan defense that most of us on this forum could move the ball against. I dont think the Big 12 has ALWAYS been overrated, but sure have the last 5 years or so. The Alamo shows you that, (no pun intended), Okie St was by no means a slouch last year, and it wasnt even a contest.

Guess it goes back to the different styles of football that you see from each conference. The Big 10 will always be underrated, because they have a defense-minded "boring" type game. For the most part anyway. It's almost becoming a sterotype.

Somebody mentioned the 98 team.........I still cry every year thinking back to then, and what should have been. Still believe the Bucks had the best team by far that year. Course with all this said, these are pre-season rankings. For all we know, Texas could lose all 12 games.
 
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Yertle said:
First of all, I agree 100% that the Big 12 is over-rated. The Bucks had a mediocre team by our standards last year, but we were the most physical team Okie State played? That is a huge statement against the power of the Texas and Oklahoma teams (I assume they each played Okie State).
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Agreed.

Okie State put up 35 points at Texas - in the first half. Their defense let it get away in the second half, but that was the same offense our defense dominated in the Alamo. Five TDs? They barely managed to get one in garbage time.

Oh yeah, they scored 35 against Oklahoma, too...
 
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I also am of the persuasion that year in and out (for the most part) the Big XII as a conference 'power' is way overrated. IMO, the conferences are ranked as thus:

SEC
Big X (can compete overall strength wise w/ sec on various years)
ACC (now can compete w/ Big X easily,overall strength wise)

These top 3 in my opinion can vary year to year, and although the SEC is usually a bit ahead top to bottom, its never by very much.

then, I see the rest of the majors shake out like this

Big Two (plus 10)
Pac 1 (plus 9)
Big Least

Honestly, Its like two different ballgames. SEC Big 10 and ACC are conferences in which even the 'lesser' teams are competitive most of the time. In the Big 2, Pac 1 and Big Least, the top 0 (big least) 1 (pac 1) or 2 (big 2) teams routinely butt rape the rest of the crapola teams in the conference. This inevitably boosts their stats and rankings, b/c it's a 'W' in the column. Then, they go to a bowl game and get trounced by the seasoned teams from more competitive conferences. Those 'great' Miami teams, who'd they have to beat to get to those NC games. The mighty powerhouses of Pitt and WVU were their major roadblocks. And yes, cal is up this last year, but normally who does USC have to go through? The mighty ducks? The Sundevils? Call me unimpressed. Colin hit the Chokelahoma situation on the head. They didn't deserve to be in those NC's and it showed.
 
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