Indians Tidbits (2008 season)

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ANALYSIS
Cleveland Indians' Sabathia could be gone for good


Thursday, January 31, 2008Paul Hoynes
Plain Dealer Reporter
The next person to stop at Seven-Eleven should pick up chips and dip for C.C. Sabathia's goodbye party. They can hold it on the mound at newly named Progressive Field.
If the Mets complete their trade for Minnesota's Johan San tana, they might as well buy some cold drinks to wash down the chips because there's no way Saba thia will be an Indian after the 2008 season. If the Mets land Santana, it means they've agreed to a five- to six-year deal that could be worth between $130 million and $150 million.
The Indians are not going to give Sabathia a contract for that much money or that many years. But it's just the kind of contract Legacy Sports, Sabathia's representatives, will consider relevant.




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Dispatch
Indians' Sabathia favors expanding drug testing

Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:22 AM


C.C. Sabathia of the Cleveland Indians would welcome expanded drug testing in baseball. "Bring it on," he said. "They can test me whenever. I have no problem with that."



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[AKAK]

The rumor was the offer was for 4 years at around $20 mil per season. So I am guessing the per year is the largest they have offered versus contract total. But that is me guessing from what I have read and heard on newspaper/radio/TV.

But the key with Santana is the whole package. Does Santana get a Barry Zito like $20+ per year for 7 years? Does he get a shorter contract but bigger per year (like 4-5 years for $25+ mil?) How bout if the Mets do something even crazier?

Just my guess, but if I was CC's agent I am waiting for Santana to sign and use that as the basis for any counter offer to the Indians.

Considering CC's age and durability... I can't imagine it will be a shorter term... (Though Santana's might not be 7 years... I imagine that's what CC will want)

If I were the Tribe I'd do something like..... offer him 22ish for six years ( or seven and start it this season) if Santana gets 25ish and 5... if they can do that kind of math.

Honestly... I tend to think, though that 20mil and the right duration will get it done, he didn't squeeze them for every dime on his last deal either. The key is that the Tribe get this done this year... once he's on the open market, then he'll get a bigger offer from someone and that's when the Union starts putting on the "take the biggest offer" pressure. Its harder when the market isn't open.

Ironically of course... the Indians response to the Mets offer to Santana should be, "Yeah, well the Mets are idiots, too bad they just signed Johann, you can't get that $ from them now." And they'd be right.

I guess we'll see... in some ways, I don't want them to overspend and tie their hands.

 

[exhawg]

Considering CC's age and durability... I can't imagine it will be a shorter term... (Though Santana's might not be 7 years... I imagine that's what CC will want)

If I were the Tribe I'd do something like..... offer him 22ish for six years ( or seven and start it this season) if Santana gets 25ish and 5... if they can do that kind of math.

Honestly... I tend to think, though that 20mil and the right duration will get it done, he didn't squeeze them for every dime on his last deal either. The key is that the Tribe get this done this year... once he's on the open market, then he'll get a bigger offer from someone and that's when the Union starts putting on the "take the biggest offer" pressure. Its harder when the market isn't open.

Ironically of course... the Indians response to the Mets offer to Santana should be, "Yeah, well the Mets are idiots, too bad they just signed Johann, you can't get that $ from them now." And they'd be right.

I guess we'll see... in some ways, I don't want them to overspend and tie their hands.

The only way overspending would tie their hands is if CC (god forbid) got hurt and couldn't play. As long as he can pitch at the level that he is at they can always trade him.

 

[tsteele316]

Considering CC's age and durability... I can't imagine it will be a shorter term... (Though Santana's might not be 7 years... I imagine that's what CC will want)

If I were the Tribe I'd do something like..... offer him 22ish for six years ( or seven and start it this season) if Santana gets 25ish and 5... if they can do that kind of math.

Honestly... I tend to think, though that 20mil and the right duration will get it done, he didn't squeeze them for every dime on his last deal either. The key is that the Tribe get this done this year... once he's on the open market, then he'll get a bigger offer from someone and that's when the Union starts putting on the "take the biggest offer" pressure. Its harder when the market isn't open.

Ironically of course... the Indians response to the Mets offer to Santana should be, "Yeah, well the Mets are idiots, too bad they just signed Johann, you can't get that $ from them now." And they'd be right.

I guess we'll see... in some ways, I don't want them to overspend and tie their hands.

if you look at the last group of pitchers that signed big long term deals of 5 or more years, the results have not been good. Cleveland better not give Sabathia anything more than a 5 year deal, even 5 years is a little suspect.

 

[AKAK]

if you look at the last group of pitchers that signed big long term deals of 5 or more years, the results have not been good. Cleveland better not give Sabathia anything more than a 5 year deal, even 5 years is a little suspect.

I don't disagree...

I was kind of thinking 6 with year one being this year... (Thus giving him an early raise). But, if you're gonna go long term with anyone, it ought to be the 27 year old with little history of injury... so... I'm not 100% against it.

 

[tsteele316]

I don't disagree...

I was kind of thinking 6 with year one being this year... (Thus giving him an early raise). But, if you're gonna go long term with anyone, it ought to be the 27 year old with little history of injury... so... I'm not 100% against it.

it's a scary proposition to say the least. you're asking for 6 years of good health from a big guy that you've pitched into the ground the last 2 seasons. generally, that doesn't turn out well, especially for $20+ million a year.

 

[osugrad21]

CPD

Cleveland Indians sign reliever Jorge Julio to minor-league contract



Friday, February 01, 2008 Paul Hoynes

Plain Dealer Reporter
The Indians signed right-hander Jorge Julio, adding an interesting arm to an already crowded bullpen.
Julio signed a minor-league contract with an invitation to big-league camp after making 68 appearances last season with Colorado and Florida.
Julio, 99-for-131 in save situations in his career, is a former closer for Baltimore and Arizona. He's now basically a set-up man/middle reliever. He made 58 appearances last year for the Rockies, going 0-3 with a 3.93 ERA. Left-handers, for the season, hit .227 (22-for-97) with no homers against him.




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CPD

Indians sign Casey Blake to one-year deal

by Paul Hoynes Friday February 01, 2008, 9:49 AM

There will be no arbitration hearing for the Indians and third baseman Casey Blake.
Blake and the Tribe came to terms on a one-year deal today. Terms were not disclosed, but it's believed the deal is worth close to $6 million. Blake filed for $6.9 million, while the Indians countered at $5.4 million.
Jim McDowell, Blake's agent, said Wednesday that progress had been made toward a settlement. He said both sides were "within shouting distance" of the midpoint. The midpoint between Blake and the Indians salary proposals was $6.1 million.

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[ScriptOhio]

Cleveland Indians' Sabathia could be gone for good

The next person to stop at Seven-Eleven should pick up chips and dip for C.C. Sabathia's goodbye party. They can hold it on the mound at newly named Progressive Field.
If the Mets complete their trade for Minnesota's Johan Santana, they might as well buy some cold drinks to wash down the chips because there's no way Sabathia will be an Indian after the 2008 season. If the Mets land Santana, it means they've agreed to a five- to six-year deal that could be worth between $130 million and $150 million.
The Indians are not going to give Sabathia a contract for that much money or that many years. But it's just the kind of contract Legacy Sports, Sabathia's representatives, will consider relevant.

Entire article: cleveland.com: Everything Cleveland

 

[LitlBuck]

The next person to stop at Seven-Eleven should pick up chips and dip for C.C. Sabathia's goodbye party.

Hold the chips and dip. 6 years, $137 mil Dolan will top that easily to keep C. C.

 

[NFBuck]

Hold the chips and dip. 6 years, $137 mil Dolan will top that easily to keep C. C.

I'll be utterly shocked if that were to happen. I don't think I'd want to pay $21M per year over six years for an overweight pitcher. Sure he's one of the best now, but he already has significant mileage, and that frame will take it's toll. I'd now get behind trading him for the right price.

 

[LitlBuck]

Trade him now and get some value and lock up some of our other players with the money.

Cleveland.com

Terry Pluto

ABOUT C.C. SABATHIA

I never expected C.C. Sabathia to sign an extension with the Tribe. The market for the 27-year-old Cy Young Award winner is far too rich not only for Cleveland, but most teams. The Indians have talked about contracts recently given to Roy Halladay (three years, $40 million), Jake Peavy (three years, $52 million), Carlos Zambrano (five years, $91 million) and Chris Carpenter (five years, $63 million). They'd probably give any of those deals to Sabathia, or even the four-year, $80 million that Johan Santana turned down from the Twins before he was traded to the Mets.

But the market for Sabathia will be set by two contracts -- the seven-year, $126 million that Barry Zito received from San Francisco last winter and the six-year, $137.5 million deal Santana secured from the Mets. That means Sabathia will be a $100-plus million pitcher, and perhaps in line to become the highest-paid pitcher in history when he's a free agent at the end of the 2008 season with a contract that could run as long as seven years.

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ABJ

Santana deal raises stakes for Sabathia Most ballplayers go where the money is
Published on Tuesday, Feb 05, 2008



CLEVELAND: The New York Mets have made things infinitely more challenging for the Indians as they try to keep C.C. Sabathia beyond this season.
Actually, the Mets might have made it impossible.
But because the Indians believe they can contend in 2008 and because they believe their team is at a point where it can improve and because they know the Detroit Tigers are better and the Chicago White Sox and Minnesota Twins are talented, the Indians do not plan to put out the ''For Sale'' sign for Sabathia.
''We owe it to our fans not to pursue a trade that compromises our opportunity to contend,'' General Manager Mark Shapiro said Monday when summing up the team's attitude toward this soon-to-be starting season.
That means Sabathia might put out the ''For Sale'' sign for himself once the season ends. He becomes a free agent if the Indians don't sign him to a contract extension.



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CPD

Unless they collapse early during this baseball season, Cleveland Indians will not trade C.C. Sabathia


Tuesday, February 05, 2008Paul Hoynes
Plain Dealer Reporter
Let's take this from the top.
No. 1: The Indians, short of an early collapse this season, won't trade C.C. Sabathia.
No. 2: Regardless of Johan Santana's contract with the New York Mets last week, General Manager Mark Shapiro believes it will be Sabathia's call on whether he stays in Cleveland after the 2008 season.




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