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Indians Tidbits (2008 season)

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tsteele316;1202111; said:
still somewhat factually incorrect. first off, the BABIP on a few guys shows that they should be producing better than the numbers indicate. that's simply bad luck. secondly, while there were a handful of guys that overachieved last year, there were a few that underachieved as well. with respect to borowski, his save % last year was right about where he was for his career, so that blows that argument for you.
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Why rely on numbers when you can rely on common sense?? You can't honestly say Borowski looked good last year. He got lucky. Unfortunately he didn't always have 3 runs to play around with this year. The guy was EXTREMELY lucky last year.

The closer position ABSOLUTELY ahould have been addressed in the off-season.

And Cliff Lee's control has been amazing this year, but he has average stuff. If a team wants to overpay in prospects for his services, I'm all for it. If he's an Indian at this time next year, I'm predicting a .500 pitcher. In 1 of the most ridiculous Indians seasons I have ever seen, he is the lone bright spot. I just don't see sustained success in his future.
 
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billmac91;1202667; said:
Why rely on numbers when you can rely on common sense?? You can't honestly say Borowski looked good last year. He got lucky. Unfortunately he didn't always have 3 runs to play around with this year. The guy was EXTREMELY lucky last year.

The closer position ABSOLUTELY ahould have been addressed in the off-season.

And Cliff Lee's control has been amazing this year, but he has average stuff. If a team wants to overpay in prospects for his services, I'm all for it. If he's an Indian at this time next year, I'm predicting a .500 pitcher. In 1 of the most ridiculous Indians seasons I have ever seen, he is the lone bright spot. I just don't see sustained success in his future.
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this is the most comical response i've seen in a while. don't rely on stats because they don't affirm my faulty conclusions.

the fact is, cliff lee has been a better than .500 pitcher, in each season he was with the club save for his hiccup last year. even discounting this season, his overall career record is 65-38. To say he'll regress to a .500 pitcher is laughable. borowski's career save % coming into this season was 82%. Last year he was at 84%. He was not extremely lucky, he pitched to his career average.

your "common sense" is misleading to say the least.
 
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Piney;1202462; said:
I don't mind all the losses... let's go for that #1 pick in the draft!!!! Oh wait... this is MLB, where top draft choices is like russian roulette. Maybe a 1 in 6 shot of a top 5 draft pick from even making it to the majors, let alone being good.
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Given the Tribe's recent track record in the draft, I wouldn't be all that excited. I can't remember the last time we had the # 1 overall pick, but I do remember having the #2 overall pick in 1992. Remember who that was? Probably not...it was Paul Shuey.
 
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Well, looking good tonight. An offensive explosion and a nice outing from Laffey.

Then again, I'm not sure an 11-2 lead is safe with that "bullpen".

It looks like they're finally giving Marte a shot at 3B. If you're gonna keep him on the roster, you may as well see how he responds in a starting role.
 
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NFBuck;1202910; said:
Well, looking good tonight. An offensive explosion and a nice outing from Laffey.

Then again, I'm not sure an 11-2 lead is safe with that "bullpen".

It looks like they're finally giving Marte a shot at 3B. If you're gonna keep him on the roster, you may as well see how he responds in a starting role.
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he's hitting over .300 for the month of july.

therefore my prediction will be as follows:

he'll end up hitting roughly .250 in a more full time capacity, and cleveland will think that he can be a good option until hodges is ready, and marte will be the starter in 09, and promptly hit about .150 as a starter.

the way hodges is raking the ball i'd love to see him in buffalo, but apparently they want to keep he and laporta in akron through the AA playoff run and let them work on defense in less pressure situations.
 
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Dellucci delivers spark, Tribe bats erupt to rip Rays, 13-2, and snap 10-game skid

by Joe Maxse Thursday July 10, 2008, 11:03 PM


Chuck Crow/The Plain DealerAaron Laffey picked up his fifth victory of the season Thursday night, scattering four hits over six innings at Progressive Field.

It won't erase all the hurt of the past few weeks, but the Indians finally got to feel good about themselves Thursday night.
All it took was some power-launching offense and down-to-earth pitching as the Indians put an end to their 10-game losing streak with a 13-2 rout of the Tampa Bay Rays at Progressive Field. The 22,665 on hand got to celebrate a bit as the home club finished off its longest stretch of futility since 1979.
One more loss and the Indians would have been staring at the club's record 12-game streak set in 1931. Fortunately it will not come to that as three home runs off Tampa Bay starter Andy Sonnanstine -- a 2001 Wadsworth High graduate -- provided all the production needed. For good measure, they added a fourth when Casey Blake connected in the eighth as part of the 14-hit fun.
"There were a lot of positives tonight," said Blake, who had three runs batted in during a seven-run eighth. "We've got to do that more often."

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Indians Insider: Hafner sees progress, hopes to return this season

Posted by [URL="http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/about.html"][EMAIL="[email protected]"]Joe Maxse[/EMAIL][/URL] July 10, 2008 20:16PM

Categories: Indians
Mark Duncan/Associated PressTampa Bay's Evan Longoria grimaces after a fourth-inning strikeout at the hands of Indians starter Aaron Laffey Thursday evening at Progressive Field. A couple of hours earlier, Longoria was named to the American League All-Star team by an online fan vote.

Travis Hafner said his injured right shoulder is getting better. That's about the best news the Indians have had of late. The Tribe's designated hitter, out with a shoulder strain since May 26, said the strength is gradually coming back and he looks to start swinging a bat in a couple of weeks. He put the shoulder at 50 percent.
"It's been a slow process," said Hafner, who was hitting .217 in 157 at-bats, with four home runs and 22 RBI. "For three or four weeks, there was no progress. But the last couple of weeks it's started to come around."
Hafner said he cannot trace the injury to a specific incident. He called it a matter of wear and tear. Even though he was in a prolonged slump that dated to last season, he did not blame the shoulder problem for his hitting woes.

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Indians first pitch: Feeling the CC hangover

Posted by [URL="http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/about.html"][EMAIL="[email protected]"]Joe Maxse[/EMAIL][/URL] July 10, 2008 19:23PM

Categories: Indians

Clubhouse confidential: Manager Eric Wedge said it was only natural that Monday's trade of CC Sabathia to Milwaukee would have a lingering effect on his ballclub, but only up to a point.
"There was a little bit of a cloud," said Wedge. "There was a point I knew it was inevitable. Once that's done, there is a letdown because we are family. It's only natural.
"But it's also the business of baseball and we move on. The guys here have to go out and play. You separate, park that and move forward."
Signings: The Indians signed infielder Robert Phelps, their third-round selection [107th overall] in the June draft. The 6-2, 200-pound junior second baseman hit .351, with 13 home runs and 58 RBI, as a switch hitter for Stanford, earning All-PAC 10 honors. In four College World Series games, he hit .389. He will rehab a sprained ankle at Winter Haven of the Gulf Coast League before reporting to Class A Mahoning Valley.

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I don't agree with Marte starting at 3B the rest of the year. I'd rather see Blake there. With the way his average has shot up as of lately he's now batting .282. Now I'm not saying he's our solution in the long run, but hell if we can get him to hit .280+ until Hodges is ready, I sure as hell would take that rather than Marte's whopping .150. Not to mention Blake now has over 50 RBI's and has a chance at 90+ RBI's.

Here is Blakes stats/Projections:

Avg - .282/.282
Hits - 82/151
2B - 22/41
HR - 9/17
RBI - 51/94
BB - 27/50
SO - 63/116
OBP - .355/.355

He is on pace to have his best numbers he has had since joining the Tribe. I'll take those numbers
 
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mstevmac;1203126; said:
I don't agree with Marte starting at 3B the rest of the year. I'd rather see Blake there. With the way his average has shot up as of lately he's now batting .282. Now I'm not saying he's our solution in the long run, but hell if we can get him to hit .280+ until Hodges is ready, I sure as hell would take that rather than Marte's whopping .150. Not to mention Blake now has over 50 RBI's and has a chance at doing well over 80 RBI's.
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Dude, it doesn't matter.

Marte is going to get his shot given that they have the opportunity.

No one wants another Brandon Philips situation.
 
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AKAKBUCK;1203132; said:
Dude, it doesn't matter.

Marte is going to get his shot given that they have the opportunity.

No one wants another Brandon Philips situation.
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Well then you need to make a decide whether or not you want to keep Blake or Garko, because you can't sit one of these guys out every night
 
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mstevmac;1203147; said:
Well then you need to make a decide whether or not you want to keep Blake or Garko, because you can't sit one of these guys out every night
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Well, what they are really doing is seeing if they want to keep Blake, Garko, or Marte.

The first two are known commodities (comparatively). And, I'd say at least for another month you're gonna have the DH spot open for Garko to play in most nights.
 
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