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Indiana 2020 Post Game Thoughts

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by LordJeffBuck, Nov 22, 2020.

By LordJeffBuck on Nov 22, 2020 at 11:38 AM
  1. LordJeffBuck

    LordJeffBuck Illuminatus Emeritus Staff Member BP Recruiting Team

    Post-Game Notes

    1. I'm fairly confident in saying that Indiana is not as good as they played yesterday. Hoosier quarterback Michael Penix, Jr. will probably never throw for 491 yards and 5 TDs in a single game (he came in averaging 267.5 yards and 2.25 TDs per game); wide receiver Ty Fryfogle is unlikely to make 7 receptions for 218 yards and 3 touchdowns; and the Hoosier defense won't force another Heisman candidate quarterback into three interception and five sacks. Except for the final eleven minutes of the second quarter, when Ohio State scored three straight touchdowns and held Indiana scoreless, the Hoosiers played over their heads. Not much over their heads, perhaps - after all, they were 4-0 and ranked #9 in the country entering the contest with Ohio State - but enough over their heads that what should have been a fairly comfortable Buckeye victory was not finally decided until literally the last play of the game (a desperate Lateral Mary that the Buckeye defense actually seemed prepared for).

    2. I'm not so confident in saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway: Ohio State isn't much better than they played yesterday. In the season opener against a really bad Nebraska team, Ohio State scored early and often and never let up (or if they did let up, Nebraska simply wasn't good enough to do anything about it). Then in Week 2, Ohio State opened up a 21-3 lead against Penn State (now 0-5), only to see the Nittany Lions outscore the Buckeyes 22-17 thereafter. The same thing happened in Week 3, as Ohio State raced out to a 35-3 lead against Rutgers, only to be outscored down the stretch, 24-14. Last night was more of the same: After Ohio State went up 35-7 early in the 3rd quarter, Indiana finished the game on a 28-7 run, with the Buckeyes' only remaining touchdown coming on a defensive score. It's now three games in a row where the Buckeyes have built an early lead and then melted down or slacked off or lost interest or whatever they've done to themselves. And let's be clear: These weak finishes are happening with the starters in the game. Until this team can prove that it has killer instinct, then I'm going to say that they just don't have it ... and without it, they're not going anywhere in the playoffs (if they can even make it that far).

    3. After Week 4, Ohio State is not a serious national championship contender. Now time for some perspective:

    In Week 4 of the 2014 season, Ohio State already had one loss in the books (the Virginia Tech debacle), and they were playing the Cincinnati Bearcats. The Buckeyes opened up a 30-7 lead early in the second quarter (sound familiar), but by the middle of the third quarter, the Bearcats had cut the lead to just five points, 33-28. Ohio State woke up at that point and scored the final 17 points of the contest to finish with a seemingly comfortable win, 50-28, but those of us who remember that game know the Buckeyes were on upset alert. Cincinnati wide receiver Chris Moore embarrassed the Buckeye defense, as he had 3 receptions for 221 yards and 3 touchdowns (60, 78, and 83 yards). Ohio State showed that they were not a serious national champion contender. Ohio State won the national championship in 2014.

    In Week 4 of the 2002 season, Ohio State again played Cincinnati. At the beginning of the fourth quarter, the Buckeyes were actually losing to the Bearcats, 19-14. The fourth quarter of that game was a wild one: Ohio State kicked a field goal to cut the lead to 19-17; Chris Gamble intercepted a pass in the end zone to kill a promising Cincinnati drive; Ohio State punted; Cincinnati fumbled; Ohio State scored a touchdown with 3:44 on the clock to take a 23-19 lead; and finally Will Allen intercepted a pass in the end zone with 26 seconds left in the game to seal the deal. Craig Krenzel was 14/29 for 129 yards, with 2 TDs and 2 INTs. The rushing attack averaged 4.3 yards per carry. The offense generated just 292 yards and 16 first downs. It was an ugly, nerve wracking, Tresselball Hell of a game. Ohio State showed that they were not a serious national champion contender. Ohio State won the national championship in 2002.​

    So, does this mean that Ohio State will win a national championship in 2020? Of course not. But it does mean that it's still a long season ... well, not exactly a long season at this point, but that there is still time for the Buckeyes to right their ship and plot their course to another title.

    4. Justin Fields opened the game with a typically brilliant start - 2 completions for 75 yards and a touchdown. Then he proved that he is a mere mortal. After the quick strike opening drive, Fields completed just 16 of 28 passes (.571) for 225 yards, a touchdown, 3 interceptions, and 5 sacks. It wasn't a Heisman performance. It was more like a Bauserman. Bad days happen, even to the best of us. I think that we, as Buckeye fans, can all live with an occasional bad game from our star quarterback. But here's what's more disturbing: The book has now been written on Justin Fields - pressure him up the middle and watch him panic and make mistakes. True, most quarterbacks don't like pressure up the middle, so Fields is not unique in that respect. However, Fields does not seem to make good decisions when his pocket dissolves in front of him - perhaps he is fighting his instinct to scramble in order to follow his instruction as a pocket passer? I don't know. In any event, the Buckeye coaching staff did not call many plays to counter the Hoosiers' pressure tactics - there were no designed roll outs, and just one true screen (to Trey Sermon for 13 yards), one bubble screen, and one "pop" pass. The tight ends were non-existent in the passing game - no catches and just one target, so far as I can remember (that cockamamie 4th-and-1 play from the Indiana 7-yard line, a play that actually would have worked if Fields could have been a bit more composed). It seemed like the staff was content to keep Fields in the pocket all day long and throw the ball down field. If the pocket held - big gain. If it didn't - disaster (3 picks, 5 sacks). Not the strategy that I would employ, but I'm just a fan....

    5. When Justin Fields did have time to throw, he was able to find Garrett Wilson (7 receptions 169 yards, 2 touchdown) and Chris Olave (8 receptions, 101 yards). Wilson and Olave continue to be the most gifted WR combo in Ohio State history, and each has a chance to eclipse the 1000-yard mark even in this abbreviated COVID season.

    6. One sour note about the normally sure-handed Wilson: He did drop two passes yesterday, on back-to-back plays in the fourth quarter. At the time, Ohio State was up 42-28 and needed to sustain a drive to regain momentum, kill some clock, and perhaps even build their suddenly precarious lead. Instead, the Buckeyes punted and two plays later Penix hit Fryfogle for a 56-yard touchdown (more on that later).

    7. The Buckeye running game finally hit high gear as Master Teague (26 carries, 169 yards, 6.5 average, 2 touchdowns, long runs of 32 and 41 yards) and Trey Sermon (9 carries, 60 yards, 6.7 average) each had a nice game. In addition, Justin Fields (discounting sacks) had 10 carries for 101 yards and a touchdown, with a long run of 30 yards. With the running game working so well, and with the weather being on the inclement side (45 degrees, steady rain), it was surprising that the Buckeye staff relied so heavily on the passing attack (30 pass attempts plus 5 sacks and several scrambles).

    8. At times, the offensive line looked bad, very bad. I don't know if it was execution, communication, scheme, play calling, backs and tight ends not providing enough help, or Justin Fields not making quick decisions. Probably some combination of most of the above. However, I will say this: I have never seen five linemen capable of blocking eight defenders. Ohio State certainly did not seem prepared for Indiana's massive pressure blitzing, and the staff called very few plays to counter it.

    9. The Buckeye defense held Indiana to -1 yard rushing on 16 carries, thanks in large part to an errant snap that cost the Hoosiers 16 yards. The Hoosier running backs had 11 carries for 18 yards (1.6 average), with a long run of just 8 yards. Michael Penix, Jr. (discounting sacks) had one carry for nine yards. The run defense was very good. The run defense should have been very good because Indiana simply cannot run the ball (the Hoosiers entered the contest averaging 95 yards per game and 2.7 yards per carry).

    10. The problem with the Buckeye defense was in the passing game: Michael Penix, Jr. is a pretty good quarterback, but he's not nearly good enough to throw for 491 yards and 5 touchdowns against a supposed national championship contender. (By the way, the 491 yards was the fourth most ever allowed by Ohio State, and the 5 TD passes tied for second most allowed). Sure, Penix heaved up some prayers that always seemed to be answered, but there were plenty of times that he was throwing to wide open receivers running free in the Buckeye secondary. It is easy to blame all of those defensive breakdowns on lack of talent (and some of the Buckeye defensive backs have definitely displayed a distressing lack of talent this year), but I also saw defensive end Tyler Friday covering a running back on a wheel route, linebacker Pete Werner covering a wide receiver 40 yards downfield, and linebacker Teradja Mitchell getting beat (if he was in coverage at all) by a wide receiver for a 51-yard gain. Again, I'm certainly not an expert, but all those blatant mismatches (and probably several more that I cannot recall from the top of my head) seem like schematic issues, not talent issues.

    11. The Buckeye defensive line was able to sack Michael Penix, Jr. only twice on 54 pass plays, this despite the fact that Ohio State blitzed on several occasions. Granted, Chase Young is gone and we've run out of Bosas, but there should be enough talent on this defensive line to consistently beat an Indiana offensive line that had been surrendering four sacks per game.

    12. Michael Penix, Jr. made very few mistakes, but Shaun Wade made him pay for his most egregious error. With just under a minute left in the third quarter, Penix attempted an out route that Wade timed perfectly, picked cleanly, and returned for a touchdown to give Ohio State a seemingly insurmountable 42-21 lead.

    13. On the negative side of the ledger, Wade was once again on the wrong end of a highlight reel play when Ty Fryfogle beat him for a 56-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter. It sure looked like Fryfogle pushed off on Wade - even the normally unreliable Joel Klatt thought that it was OPI - but Fryfogle won the battle and Wade got the flag for his role in the hand fighting. As Buckeye fans, we can bitch about poor officiating, and in this case we'd have a pretty solid right to bitch. But that's beside the point. This season, Wade has exhibited a pattern of playing tight coverage but then being out-muscled for 50-50 balls. Some of it is undoubtedly bad luck, but quite a bit more of it is the fact that Wade simply isn't physical enough. I don't know if Wade needs to get stronger, or if he's making business decisions to protect his multi-million dollar body....

    14. Ohio State didn't really win the turnover battle - each team had three, if you discount the "fumble" that ended Indiana's desperation lateral-fest on the final play of the game. But the results of the turnovers certainly favored Ohio State, and probably were the difference in the game. Indiana intercepted Justin Fields three times - the first two led to no points, and the third was fumbled away by the interceptor. On the other side, the Buckeyes lone interception went for a pick six, and both forced fumbles occurred when Indiana was in the red zone. That's potentially a 21-point swing.

    15. Indiana actually had a fourth fumble, but the officials missed it. On their second drive of the game, already down 7-0, Indiana wide receiver Whop Philyor lost the ball after a short reception. The officials on the field called down by contact and the replay booth apparently did not review the play, which was an obvious fumble recovered by Ohio State. Instead of having the ball in or near the red zone, the Buckeyes took over at their own 49-yard line after the ensuing punt. Maybe the 30-odd yards of field position wouldn't have mattered in the long run ... but maybe it would have. On Ohio State's very first play after the punt, Justin Fields threw an interception on a deep route, a deep route that obviously would not have been called if Ohio State had the ball in the red zone instead of midfield.

    Last edited: Nov 23, 2020
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Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by LordJeffBuck, Nov 22, 2020.

    1. LordJeffBuck
      The big plays in the series continued. An update of the table contained in the Indiana preview:

      2011Braxton MillerOhio Staterun81yes
      2011Daniel HerronOhio Staterun48no
      2011Carlos HydeOhio Staterun47no
      2011Daniel HerronOhio Staterun40no
      2011Kofi HughesIndianareception43no
      2012Braxton MillerOhio Staterun67yes
      2012Devin SmithOhio Statereception60yes
      2012Devin SmithOhio Statereception46yes
      2012Shane WynnIndianareception76yes
      2012Tevin ColemanIndianakick return60no
      2012Stephen HoustonIndianarun59yes
      2013Braxton MillerOhio Staterun41no
      2014Ezekiel ElliottOhio Staterun65yes
      2014Jalin MarshallOhio Statereception54yes
      2014Jalin MarshallOhio Statepunt return54yes
      2014Tevin ColemanIndianarun90yes
      2014Zander DiamontIndianarun53no
      2014Tevin ColemanIndianarun52yes
      2014Shane WynnIndianareception49no
      2015Ezekiel ElliottOhio Staterun75yes
      2015Ezekiel ElliottOhio Staterun65yes
      2015Ezekiel ElliottOhio Staterun55yes
      2015Zander DiamontIndianarun79yes
      2016Parris CampbellOhio Statekick return91no
      2016Malik HookerOhio Stateinterception47no
      2016Nick WestbrookIndianareception50no
      2017Parris CampbellOhio Statereception74yes
      2017Johnnie DixonOhio Statereception59yes
      2018Parris CampbellOhio Statereception71yes
      2018Stevie ScottIndianarun45no
      2019Damon ArnetteOhio Stateinterception96yes
      2019JK DobbinsOhio Staterun56no
      2019Master TeagueOhio Staterun40yes
      2019Peyton HendershotIndianareception49yes
      2020Garrett WilsonOhio Statereception65no
      2020Master TeagueOhio Staterun41yes
      2020Miles MarshallIndianareception68no
      2020Ty FryfogleIndianareception63yes
      2020Ty FryfogleIndianareception56yes
      2020David EllisIndianareception51no
      Last edited: Nov 22, 2020
    2. bukIpower
      Great work as always!!

      I didnt realize they had 4 plays over 50 yards. That's just dumb and it truly is just unnecessary. We typically have the better athletes so why we aren't playing more 2 deep safety with a "keep everything" in front of you approach is beyond me.

      Besides with the speed we have on defense keeping it in front and running to the ball should be a strength. What's not a strength as you point out is our pass rush which gives the other team time to go down the field.

      I never thought of the mismatches you pointed out but you are absolutely right on that too. I refuse to think it's the players because these are all highly rated kids who played last year and played well. We can't have Hooker 1 on 1 with a WR, Mitchell with a WR, or even Werner with a WR (although Werner can do that occasionally). That's just bad coaching and arrogance to play that kind of man defense without acknowledging the match ups. You can do that with zone defense but you cannot continue to do that in man.
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    3. WoodyWorshiper
      I'll just go right to the first sentence of the breakdown and say that I believe that Indiana is as good as they played yesterday. Granted, our secondary is just flat out horrible right now but Penix made some amazing throws. Gotta give him some credit. And yes, the OL looked lousy yesterday, Fields was on the run all day long. But maybe that was due to the fact that Indiana's defense is that good. If they played Notre Dame tomorrow, I'd pick them to win the game. As crazy as this year has been, I just wanna win every game and see what happens in the playoffs. Not our greatest performance by a longshot, but I'll take the win against who, to me, was a formidable opponent.

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    4. billmac91
      I think one of the more consistent themes I’m seeing is a lack of “4 minute drill” on offensive side of ball. We can speak of all the defensive secondary issues we have, but I think it’s important to point out, we’ve had excessively large leads in every game, and had difficulty putting game away.


      IMO, where Meyer and Tressel both leaned heavily on run game to control clock and effectively rip life away from opponents, Day swings to the more aggressive side, and leaves the team open to short possessions, turnovers, and extra life that probably shouldn’t be there.

      Don’t get me wrong.....I kind of love it. When Meyer or Tressel would close the book and effectively wrap the game up
      bleeding out clock and hammering the ball down the oppositions throat, Day is out here still throwing on 1st and 10, taking sacks that lead to 2nd and 19, and putting us so far behind sticks, they’re empty as hell possessions.

      No way up 35-14 or 35-21, Urban Meyer allows the play-sequence we saw from Day. And again, I’m not knocking Day. He’s putting trust in his guys, they’re live reps, and they should be able to execute. But part of our defense getting shredded, needs to 100% be put on offense in second half not being called to protect them. They were an exposed unit, and offensively we could’ve relied entirely on Master Teague and just eaten the clock.......but that’s not how Day rolls. “Salting the game away” does not appear to be a phrase Day is something is interested in.
      Last edited: Nov 22, 2020
    5. billmac91
      Not sure if anyone has brought it up, but I actually think the Big 10 turned a blind eye to the Whopp Philyor fumble because they’d have also had to take into account a helmet to helmet hit that would’ve, by definition, needed to be called.

      If they review that play, we actually end up with a 15 yard penalty, and ejected player. Instead of reviewing play for obvious fumble, we were actually protected from a personal foul penalty and disqualified player.

      And it would’ve been one of those frustrating as hell targeting calls. Was helmet to helmet, but certainly not intentional or using head as a weapon.
    6. Greyshirt
      Can I just say that as a fan base you can all be a bit soft and whiny at times. All teams have off days. Does anyone really think ND is on the verge of winning a Natty? But here we are with them currently number 2. And does anyone have confusion on who will be the 4 teams in the BCS (if played this year?). Bama, Clemson (will beat ND in rematch), OSU, and some random team. This is part 1 of the process. Getting into the playoffs is key to winning a NATTY (LOL). Once you get into the playoffs anything can happen. I definitely feel OSU was better than Clemson last year and the game just went South. So just because the game got close against Ind some people now believe OSU is not a high caliber team. I am not sure if you think teams must beat every team by double digits to be any good. I contend the biggest issue OSU has had for the last 5 years is that they are not pushed in the B10 hardly at all. So they play all season long against teams they are double digit favorites and then play on the BCS against a team that has a whole level better athlete than they see all season long.

      I know my squad MSU would spend each off season breaking down 3 teams in detail. The 3 teams were: OSU, SCum, and a random. So that was a big reason why MSU routinely gave OSU a game. Now ask yourself do you think OSU spent off season breaking down IND or Clemson? Seriously, who do you think this coaching staff spent time picking apart? Big deal so Indy threw in some late score. OSU was up 42-21 in second half. A pick 6 and a crazy great play but IND NFL caliber WR and the game got close. At the end of the day these kids can not get up for more than a couple game a season. And now they have no fans to get them going and they are expected to bring the heat against INDY? LOL.

      All OSU needs to do is keep winning and then blow someone out in the B10 Champ game and they will get that rematch they have wanted. But I actually think Clemson will be a 4 seed. So OSU will get a soft touch with a B12 or PAC 10 team. I think this is the season they get someone in the game. Unless those leagues crap the bed and then you get Both ND and Clemson. Then I can see Clemson as a 3 and OSU as the 2.

      All is well.........oh and did you really think Fields was going to keep completing passes at a 90%+ clip?
    7. Onebuckfan
      The angst is about Clemson going against a Combs secondary .
    8. 1926Buckeyes
    9. WoodyWorshiper
      Didn't mention in my first post in this thread what an awesome job LJB did in presenting it. Dude knows his stuff and always brings a well thought out, intelligent, insightful breakdown of whatever he "breaks down." Nice job my "Buckeye Brother."
    10. LordJeffBuck
      Before being injured late in the third quarter against Maryland yesterday, Penix was 6 of 19 for 84 yards, no TDs, and a 30.9 QBR.

      Indiana had three INTs against Ohio State, and another three against Maryland. For the season, the Hoosiers now have 16 INTs in just 6 games (2.67 per game).
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