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Impressions five games in?

Oh8ch

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Just wondered what folks were thinking now that we have a few games under our belts.

I for one am blown away with the athleticism. I knew it would be there, but not to thiis extent.

After so many seasons with disappointing first year players I am impressed that ALL of the new guys are ready to go out of the box. Every time I am ready to criticize one of the newcomers I have to remind myself that this is their first month of CFB. I thought Lighty might take some time and never expected Conley to work the point from the git-go.

And some interesting stats:

PT ranges from 30.8 to 18.4.

At least five blocks in every game when last year our high was 6. (All 8 regulars have at least 2 blocks.)

Six players hitting 50% or better from the field.

Two players averaging more PPG than our high scorer last season.

Hunter averaging 7.6 rebounds. Dials averaged 8 last year.

Cook with an assist to turnover ratio of 6.6 to 2.4.

Granted, this is the easy part of the schedule. On the other hand, we still don't have Oden.
 
Oh8ch;668218; said:
Just wondered what folks were thinking now that we have a few games under our belts.

I for one am blown away with the athleticism. I knew it would be there, but not to thiis extent.

After so many seasons with disappointing first year players I am impressed that ALL of the new guys are ready to go out of the box. Every time I am ready to criticize one of the newcomers I have to remind myself that this is their first month of CFB. I thought Lighty might take some time and never expected Conley to work the point from the git-go.

And some interesting stats:

PT ranges from 30.8 to 18.4.

At least five blocks in every game when last year our high was 6. (All 8 regulars have at least 2 blocks.)

Six players hitting 50% or better from the field.

Two players averaging more PPG than our high scorer last season.

Hunter averaging 7.6 rebounds. Dials averaged 8 last year.

Cook with an assist to turnover ratio of 6.6 to 2.4.

Granted, this is the easy part of the schedule. On the other hand, we still don't have Oden.

Well here was my thoughts after the last game :

cbf40 said:
Is it to early to call for NC in both Football and Bball or should I wait for Oden to make his return and find out who the football team is playing before doing that? :biggrin:

Some may call me crazy, but here is how I see it.

We have great perimeter defense. Lewis and Cook struggle will struggle at times, more so off the ball and some times on the ball. Cook will become much better once Matta continues to get on him. He has the length and athleticism to be a great defender. With Lewis it is more of what you have seen is what you are going to get. The thing is when we start playing Twig/Hunter at the 4 who the hell is going to want to go inside with them and Oden in there. We are going to force teams to become more perimeter oriented playing right into our stregths of perimeter defense.

Also we can score. I am not talking a good amount of points I am talking 80+. We run, we can shoot, and we have two pg's on the court to get the ball up the court and get the ball to the hot hand. We have 4 guys that can easily penetrate the lane. We have 8 guys that can shoot the 3. More than half of them will shoot in the 40 percent range and can all get hot and take a game over from out there extending their defense allowing for easy baskets inside.


As for some more of our weaknesses here is what JOtis had to say today:

this team still needs to work on the glass.

Well Cook is stating to assert himself on the glass, and Harris seems to be playing harder and battling more down low and working on the rebounds. Then when we get Oden and Hunter/Twig on the court at the same time we will have the size and be able to pull in more rebounds. I don't envision this being a problem or near as much as it now come big ten season.

twigs is a 4, ive said it all along. he can steal you minutes at the five but is out of pos there.

Couldnt agree more. Twig will be a great role player and get about 20 minutes a game when Oden is back and it will help him when he can extend his game to about 15-18 foot.

cooks defensive, if you can call it that for stretches...
lewis and his defense...

I hit on this above...

conley is really slinggin the ball around, will that work against bigger more atheletic teams?

Conley just seems to be such a smart player. Honestly I never envisioned him just straight up moving Butler to the two guard. He runs the offense well and I really like what I see from him. I think in a game against better teams he is going to be much smarter and if not, we always have the luxury of moving Butler back over. Nice luxury to have...

what will the transition with oden be, will it be seamless as some are predicting or will it be a rough chemistry issue...

Well I don't see a huge problem. I think there might be some early and I think if he does make it back for UNC with relatively no time with the team it might be tough, but you plug a 7' in the middle of the floor that can run the floor and I just don't see how it will affect how they play. Also keep in mind that Cook and Conley have been playing with Oden for a couple years now. I think the guys that will need to get acclamated are more Hunter/Twig/Butler/Lewis but they have been playing together with each other so once they get use to playing with a guy like that that makes the game that much easier for them they will have no problems.

Right now I see us losing to UNC, just b/c of the fact that we won't have Oden at full stregth/conditioning if we have him at all. But I think it is going to be a helluva game with us coming up short by about 5-10 pts. Also it is in the Dean Dome which is not an easy place to play and the hype will build for the game with the recruiting classes and they have the upper hand. If we meet them later it should be a much different story.

I think we are on the level with Florida, but they have the experience, but do they have the drive to do it again. That is the big question.

After watching some other teams I don't have a problem with us being ranked #3 after seeing our freshmen grow up as fast as they have.
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Cook's game reminds of a certian SG for the Miami Heat. The really underrated part of his game is his footwork which is outstanding. Skills like that are what the difference in the highest levels of hoops. So far so good in my book for this early stretch. Oden not being there has a book written but I'm glad we haven't gotten pounded on the glass or a shoddy post defense with the Hunter/Twigg/Ivan 4,5 crew. I think we've had the perfect schedule to get the frosh used to playing the college game and starting at UNC and through december we start to test them. Conley has blown away my expectations so far. Hunter is the gritty, physical rebounder, defense guy we need out of the 4/5 spot. Despite the high ranking the main concern I had this season was with depth and experience. I think some of my concerns have been answered watching these initial games.
 
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Even though the compteition hasn't been the toughest (yet) I was expecting a little more of a learning curve for the incoming freshman... From what I've seen that is definitely not the case. After casually watching some of the Top 25 teams last night (UCLA, Kentucky, Duke, Marquette) the Buckeyes are definitely on par with the Top 10-15 (FWIW the Bucks would blow away Kentucky from what I saw of them). I haven't been this excited about basketball since the early 90's with Jim Jackson, Damaal Brown, Lawrence Funderburke... here's to doing better than that group!
 
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butler/conley are amazing. To have both explains itself.

cook/lighty are going to be stars faster then I thought. Both more athletic then JJACKSON was and with better outside shooting. That was the onlything holding JJ back in his early years.

Hunter- is what they needed at PF .Almost double figures so far.

lewis- just scores to easily. Must be nice to have 3 scores .

They look good so far and I can't wait until THE ODEN TIME. ALL those strengths will be even more opened up.
 
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DaytonBuck;668393; said:
Does anyone think our depth or non-Oden post play will be an issuse later in the season?[/quote

I think heck ya. Just by the difference between 6 8 and 7 0. He could just stand in the middle with his long arms up all the time. and He would be starting in the NBA if, he got the ok to play .
 
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DaytonBuck;668393; said:
Does anyone think our depth or non-Oden post play will be an issue later in the season?
Excellent question IMO. We cannot afford to get lots of fouls on our bigs in the big games, or in the B11 generally.

Other comments:

1. Cook has the look of a guy who could be a 30-per-night guy in the League. Anybody who foresees more than one year in s&g for this guy is on crack. Lottery.

2. Conley continues to impress. His decision-making is more like a senior than a frosh, his quickness is incredible, and his shot is better than I expected. Best point in the conference, right now.

3. Butler is excellent at the 1 or the 2; his strength allows him to guard most tall 2s without problems.

4. Hard to tell for sure, but all Matta's emphasis on glasswork seems to have had an effect. I'm very impressed with Othello Hunter's rebounding (his length and leaping ability help a lot!).

5. Lewis is just Lewis. What a terrific transfer! Helps erase the bad memories of a certain guard from Medina.

6. Harris, though ungainly, is demonstrating real value. He looks better with each game, both on D and on the glass. And his shot remains pure.

7. Dave Lighty is one of the best young defenders we have had. Combines the quickness to be effective guarding 2s with the size and hops needed to guard 3s (and in a pinch, 4s). His offensive skills are just gravy.

I said early in the season that this was not a top-20 team without Greg Oden. I was wrong, wrong, wrong. I am actually looking forward to seeing how we do Odenless against the 'Heels next week.
 
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I worry even with Oden about this issuse because I think any team that plays when he gets back will try to get every ticky tack foul they can on him. I wish we had a few more bangers down low to compliment him. Doesn't have to being anything offensive just someone to fight in the paint for boards and score some put backs.
 
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Let me throw my .2 cents in....

Conley has been impressive thus far and has allowed Butler to get comfortable at the 2 guard. I have been singing the praises of Conley for awhile and its great that he has gotten the opportunity to show just how fundamentally sound he is. I would like to see his outside shot improve, that will come in time.

Lewis has raised his level of play but I would like him to be better on the defensive end. He needs to be the leader on the floor and its obvious to me he has improved his consistency from the outside.

Hunter has been a suprise so far, lets see how he does starting next week against better opponents. He is are only real inside scoring threat, he needs to stay out of foul trouble. When Oden returns, those two in the paint will be a nightmare for opposing teams.

Butler has been steady but not great, seems to me he is still feeling his way at the 2 guard position. He does not need to force shots on this team and I like the chemistry between Conley and Butler.

Cook....a special player who is deadly in the open court. Will only get better when Oden hits the court.

Lighty.....he is doing the little things and is solid. Most impressive on the defensive end in my opinion.

Harris......seems to be playing better defense the past few games and is making a contribution on the boards. Still seems to float around the perimeter a little to much for me.

Twigs....playing out of position without Oden on the court. The jury is still out in my mind on his improvement.

Overall, I am not suprised they are undefeated. They should be with the talent they have. First test in next Monday, we will find out where we are at.
 
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I agree what all you guys have said and I think we all have the same questions and think that with Matta as our coach and with Mr. Oden coming back soon, a lot of those problems are very curable.

O yeah and can you guys imagine a night when Lewis, Butler, and Cook are all hot. To go along with Oden inside. We could easily put up a 100 in more than a few games this year...
 
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The only things stopping this team from a Final Four run this season is fatigue and injuries. Fatigue could be a huge factor as we only have 8(9) guys and 25+ games left. That fatigue could also lead to an injury here and there which will decimate us come Big10 schedule time. We just have to cross our fingers and enjoy every second of it all while it lasts!
 
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