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Illinois Fighting Illini (you'll see)

mross34;1108894; said:
You can cite your connections to players and inside recruiting information all you want, but it speaks nothing to your ability to project what kind of talent will make it to the NFL. I don't think anyone here thinks Illinois can't be a top tier Big 10 team and win multiple Big 10 titles in the next decade. Where you lose your credibility is in claiming that Illinois will be come the "(Insert position here) U" of several different positions. It takes years and years of producing top notch talent into the NFL at a particular position and it's not a particularly easy reputation to come by. As far as being on par with Miami in terms of NFL talent? Good luck. The Miami teams of the late-90s and early-00s produced more first round NFL talent than any team in history. In terms of winning the Big 10? Players like J Leman and Rashard Mendenhall aren't a dime a dozen, so don't be surprised if your team takes a step back this year. I have more beef than that with your post, but I'll leave it at that cause I can already see your views are too extreme and it will do no good to argue with you. Tone it down and you might actually stir up some good conversation.


Okay we'll see. Just know I don't say stuff like this just to say it. A lot of it is what the coaches think and some NFL types think (That I read through an insider on Scout, Frank Frangie). We can debate stuff. I'm a homer (Understatement) but at the same time I can debate with people if they disagree. I'll break down why I think something, you can debate why you think something.

I know Miami has produced more 1st round talent than any school in history. I know about the picks they sent to the NFL then (And even still now...the 14 year 1st round streak, etc.). I'm saying I think Illinois will be similar to that...Rashard Mendenhall and Leman aren't a dime a dozen, but I'll link some of my comments I made on our board about this situation 'cause I'm too lazy to type it over and over again.:)
 
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You dont think that any perennial powerhouse on the field and in recruiting (OSU, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. etc) cannot make the same claims that you are? Not only that but they would have a more long lasting precedence to back it up? The reason we don't? We have been doing this long enough to know that it is not likely. Not even close.

I think you are SEVERLY underestimating what it takes to get the league. EVERYONES highly rated players are "NFL type talents" until they step on the field. Remember that.
 
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sandgk;1108893; said:
ThaKid101 - There's this dude called BuckCrazy! on Bucknuts.com - THE Independent Ohio State Sports Site that you might want to meet.

Seems like you are both cut from the same kind of cloth.

Here have a horn and go toot it somewhere - in the street would be good - and don't worry about all that traffic :tongue2:


I know about BuckCrazy! I even know who it is...we probably are in the same cloth, but the only reason I explained all that stuff about me is 'cause some seem to think I'm some sort of bandwagon fan who just makes a lot of comments with no base or anything to it...
 
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I will be willing to bet Illinois has more than 3 DL's and WR's drafted in the next few years...off the top of my head, Benn, Cumberland, Fayson, AJ Jenkins, maybe even Joe Morgan (If he gets it together there is no doubt), Cordale Scott. That doesn't even include the likes of Mike Hooman (NFL player for sure), London Davis (GREAT upside), Hubie Graham (Really good upside), etc. Plus depending on Brian Gamble, you can add him the NFL list if it he stays at WR (All B10 type) or goes back to S (Where I think he is AA type).

AJ Jenkins and Cordale Scott having never even set foot on campus. Ditto for Graham and Davis. The same Joe Morgan that made 3 catches last season?

Off the top of my head from the DL, Josh Brent (1st rounder when he comes out after his junior year, bank it), Will Davis (Guy is up to 260+ pounds and still running a 4.6 as well as benching 225 20 times 3 times daily...plus a 38 inch vert), Jerry Brown (Was my pick to click last year but he was young so he gets a pass...my pick again this year), D'Angelo McCray (Wait 'til you see him), Whitney Mercilus (Will Davis part 2 but faster and bigger at the same stage:yow2:), Corey Liuget. That doesn't even include guys like Reggie Ellis (Good upside), Glenn Foster (Another potential AA but might take a lot of time 'cause he is VERY VERY raw), Daryle Ballew, Sirod Williams (Senior this upcoming year but just thought I would throw him in), Antonio James, Ugo U (BIG upside), etc. who will all at the least be very solid. And all this doesn't even include the DB's (Disgusting amounts of athletes coming in and already there led by future 1st rounder Vontae Davis), some of the LB's (Mainly Martez Wilson...he is an ANIMAL but Britt Miller, Rodney Pittman, and especially Ian Thomas-watch out for him-are all the main LB's...which is probably the only spot that isn't "there" yet) and the OL (If you thought this year was something, just wait until you see some of these other guys)

Mercilus, Liuget, Ellis, Foster, and Ugo have never played a down and you're projecting them all into the NFL. Nobody is denying that Illinois has added talent, but you need to be a little more realistic if you want to hang here. Save the homerism for the Illini board.

And for the record, there are PLENTY of other schools that have brought in just as much talent, if not more, over the past several years. Nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team's classes, but please save the "OMG! BESTEST CLASS EVER!!!!11!!!!" for some place else. Nobody here wants to hear it, I assure you of that.

Especially when you are pounding your chest pointing to Ohio kids that the OSU staff didn't even offer.
 
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ThaKid101;1108914; said:
A lot of it is what the coaches think and some NFL types think (That I read through an insider on Scout, Frank Frangie).

So you are like this channeling psychic Illini fan then?

Is this your picture - on the left?

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ThaKid101;1108888; said:
Laugh away. Laugh all you want. That's your opinion. You're a homer for your team as well as I am for mine so I wouldn't expect you to agree. Just stating my (very strong) opinions. We'll see how things start to unfold when the season starts and over the next few years. I see a lot of threads here (Including this one when Zook obviously was with Florida 1st) stay around. So we'll just come back in a few years and see. A lot of people are going to be looking really stupid...:wink:

The difference between a Buckeye homer and an Illini homer around here is that this is a Buckeye board. This is an Illini thread, so opinions of the team from those in orange are certainly welcome, but you'll get along more easily here if you follow the example of OrangeRoughy's more reasoned, less rah-rah approach.

We operate somewhat differently from Scout boards.
 
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Bucky Katt;1108919; said:
AJ Jenkins and Cordale Scott having never even set foot on campus. Ditto for Graham and Davis. The same Joe Morgan that made 3 catches last season?

Mercilus, Liuget, Ellis, Foster, and Ugo have never played a down and you're projecting them all into the NFL. Nobody is denying that Illinois has added talent, but you need to be a little more realistic if you want to hang here. Save the homerism for the Illini board.

And for the record, there are PLENTY of other schools that have brought in just as much talent, if not more, over the past several years. Nothing wrong with being optimistic about your team's classes, but please save the "OMG! BESTEST CLASS EVER!!!!11!!!!" for some place else. Nobody here wants to hear it, I assure you of that.

Especially when you are pounding your chest pointing to Ohio kids that the OSU staff didn't even offer.

It's very homerish coming out right now but it's only like that 'cause you OSU guys don't know. And I didn't say every single 1 of those guys were going to make it...notice that I did say I think that some of those guys will be solid or very solid contributors in their time at Illinois. All I will say is just wait 'til the season comes up and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. If you can make a trip to Champaign for the game and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about in person...
 
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sandgk;1108920; said:
So you are like this channeling psychic Illini fan then?

Is this your picture - on the left?

40116_ag.jpg



Yup I am. I can see the future and everything in it. Not only for Illinois but for everything. Obama will be president. There's 1 thing. Chris Wells will be the best RB in the B10 this year. There' another. See, I can see the future.:wink:
 
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ThaKid101;1108934; said:
Did I say all of them are going to the NFL? I said in another post I just listed some who I think will be solid or very solid contributors for Illinois. Obviously many of the recruits I've listed have not made it on campus, but some have. And they have a lot of buzz about them. Mercilus and Fayson especially, plus Ellis, Pocic, and Allen. It's very homerish coming out right now but it's only like that 'cause you OSU guys don't know. All I will say is just wait 'til the season comes up and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. If you can make a trip to Champaign for the game and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about...

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"It's 'cause you don't know" is utter bullshit. I know that Ohio-native Mercilus never got an OSU offer. I know that OSU had almost as many 5* recruits as Illinois had 4* recruits. I know that, dsepite having 9 fewer commitments, OSU's class is still ranked well ahead of Illinois'.

Again, nothing wrong with being optimistic, but there are other teams with just as much or more talent. So enough with this "Just you wait and see" garbage. Nobody wants to read it here. Now, that I've gotten that off of my chest...

I saw that Illinois has 28 recruits for '08. Are there gray-shirts in there, or are you all figuring some of the guys may not qualify? Any thoughts on which recruits would be impacted?
 
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ThaKid101;1108934; said:
It's very homerish coming out right now but it's only like that 'cause you OSU guys don't know. And I didn't say every single 1 of those guys were going to make it...notice that I did say I think that some of those guys will be solid or very solid contributors in their time at Illinois. All I will say is just wait 'til the season comes up and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. If you can make a trip to Champaign for the game and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about in person...

Illinois has one good season. ONE! And every fan of another Big 10 team is supposed to bow down and kiss your feet? Can I play this "everyone we recruit is going to the NFL game too"?

2012 NFL Draft

1. Sam McGuffie, RB, Michigan
2. Dann O'Neill, OT, Michigan
3. Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
4. Boubacar Cissoko, CB, Michigan
5. Brandon Moore, TE, Michigan
6. Daryl Stonum, WR, Michigan
7. Marcus Witherspoon, LB, Michigan
Need I go on?

I find it hilarious that because you guys managed a top 25 class a couple years in a row you're going to be the shit. Let's see since you're playing the HS Star game...

Rivals Big 10 rankings since Zook took over at Illinois...

'06 #6 PSU, #12 Ohio State, #13 Michigan, T-#30 Illinois
'07 #12 Michigan, #15 Ohio State, #20 Illinois
'08 #9 Ohio State, #10 Michigan, #23 Illinois

Since the star game is all you're interested in, Michigan and Ohio State should be in a dead heat for the Big 10 title with Illinois significantly behind.
 
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Bucky Katt;1108940; said:
I saw that Illinois has 28 recruits for '08. Are there gray-shirts in there, or are you all figuring some of the guys may not qualify? Any thoughts on which recruits would be impacted?

If there were 3 early enrollees, that could also account for it.
 
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ThaKid101;1108934; said:
And I didn't say every single 1 of those guys were going to make it...notice that I did say I think that some of those guys will be solid or very solid contributors in their time at Illinois.
So what are you claiming is going to happen "in the future"? Bullet-point list it for us.
 
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Bucky Katt;1108940; said:
:roll1:

"It's 'cause you don't know" is utter bullshit. I know that Ohio-native Mercilus never got an OSU offer. I know that OSU had almost as many 5* recruits as Illinois had 4* recruits. I know that, dsepite having 9 fewer commitments, OSU's class is still ranked well ahead of Illinois'.

Again, nothing wrong with being optimistic, but there are other teams with just as much or more talent. So enough with this "Just you wait and see" garbage. Nobody wants to read it here. Now, that I've gotten that off of my chest...

I saw that Illinois has 28 recruits for '08. Are there gray-shirts in there, or are you all figuring some of the guys may not qualify? Any thoughts on which recruits would be impacted?


True, Mercilus never got an offer. Watch what he's going to do. I'm done talking about this over and over. You can say it's BS all you want. Just wait and see. You'll be really surprised when you see these lower rated players...anyway...

What list are you looking at? 'Cause if it has Deries Hodge on there he's not going to make it (Sadly) for the 2nd straight year (Would have been a monster and he is an example of what I meant when I talk about evaluating talent), and if it involves K Derek Dimke, he's a grayshirt possibility (Supposidly (sp?) promised to get an offer next year but I don't know if that's true). 2 star OL Brandon Davis from Jacksonville is another grayshirt possibility if he can make the grades. As for the scholarship prospects, all are expected to make it. Only London Davis and Jason Ford are considered close, but they should make it.

As far as the 28 guys, some 5th year possibilities will not be back, the seniors are gone (Obviously), plus the other poster is correct. Some of if not all the EE's count towards last year. There are 8 this year...
 
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ThaKid101;1108867; said:
Well that was me who made that comment. I'm FAR from a bandwagon fan to whatever OSU fan asked that...I'm a young Illini fan who has been a fan since before I got to HS. I'm hoping to 1 day go to Illinois. But anyway...

I said it and I meant it. All you have to do is look at my track record since I've been on these message boards (Mainly the Illinois scout board). It speaks for itself. You could talk about Scout and it's "text message speak" and endless free flowing kool aid all you want, but for a period (Talking about the '07 class with Benn, Wilson, etc.) you couldn't get any more exclusive with the stuff I put on there.

I told everybody before anybody knew Martez Wilson was going to Illinois. Even when he "blew up" and people said Illinois had no shot after USC and others offered, I let people know. I told them on NLOID '06 that Illinois would get both Benn and Nate Bussey in the '07 class. People laughed 'cause Benn was a national recruit and Illinois was really in the stinker. I hit on everything I said that year except that Jack Cornell was going to Illinois (Originally picked MSU) and that was just a gut feeling. Everything Juice told me was on the money when we were in contact. It was well known that I was talking/messaging with him and '06 WR Chris "CJ" James.

Enough about that though I really don't have to explain 'cause any Illinois fan (And a lot of others) know what it is. I think you're an example of the "old" Illini fan Roughy. I've read some of your posts and you seem to kind of back down to OSU fans and such who don't think Illinois can become anything more than a 2nd tier B10 school. You try to defend Illinois and stuff, but it seems like you're backing down a little often. I guess being "realistic" as you'd probably put it. But I'm telling you, watch how it takes off. I was being dead serious when I made those comments. Illinois is about to become very Miami-esque (Earlier this decade) when talking about pro prospects. You can laugh all you want, but watch exactly what I'm talking about. I was trying to tell people all before last year about last year's team. How good they will be. How certain freshmen will play better than their ranking, etc. And it happened.

I will be willing to bet Illinois has more than 3 DL's and WR's drafted in the next few years...off the top of my head, Benn, Cumberland, Fayson, AJ Jenkins, maybe even Joe Morgan (If he gets it together there is no doubt), Cordale Scott. That doesn't even include the likes of Mike Hooman (NFL player for sure), London Davis (GREAT upside), Hubie Graham (Really good upside), etc. Plus depending on Brian Gamble, you can add him the NFL list if it he stays at WR (All B10 type) or goes back to S (Where I think he is AA type).

Off the top of my head from the DL, Josh Brent (1st rounder when he comes out after his junior year, bank it), Will Davis (Guy is up to 260+ pounds and still running a 4.6 as well as benching 225 20 times 3 times daily...plus a 38 inch vert), Jerry Brown (Was my pick to click last year but he was young so he gets a pass...my pick again this year), D'Angelo McCray (Wait 'til you see him), Whitney Mercilus (Will Davis part 2 but faster and bigger at the same stage:yow2:), Corey Liuget. That doesn't even include guys like Reggie Ellis (Good upside), Glenn Foster (Another potential AA but might take a lot of time 'cause he is VERY VERY raw), Daryle Ballew, Sirod Williams (Senior this upcoming year but just thought I would throw him in), Antonio James, Ugo U (BIG upside), etc. who will all at the least be very solid. And all this doesn't even include the DB's (Disgusting amounts of athletes coming in and already there led by future 1st rounder Vontae Davis), some of the LB's (Mainly Martez Wilson...he is an ANIMAL but Britt Miller, Rodney Pittman, and especially Ian Thomas-watch out for him-are all the main LB's...which is probably the only spot that isn't "there" yet) and the OL (If you thought this year was something, just wait until you see some of these other guys)

So I'm going to say it on here for those who are laughing. ILLINOIS IS ABOUT TO WIN THE B10 NEXT YEAR WITH A SHOT AT THE NC. I don't think they'll go to the NC but I do think BCS. '09 is where I have them winning it. I'm dead serious. Orange, this is not your old Illini squad. This team has big, fast, aggressive, smart, and disciplined long twitch athletes who can run with anybody as well as out-tough them. The recruiting ratings don't affect this (BTW, if you like all the glitz and glam of recruiting ratings, this is your year), but Illinois has brought in classes just as good as any in the B10 and among the best in the nation since Zook has been here. Yeah yeah I know they've been in the top 25, but I'm talking top 10 on the field performance. This is probably the best talent evaluating staff in the B10. For every Martez Wilson or Arrelious Benn they've brought in, they've brought in a Vontae Davis or Jon Asamoah or Will Davis. My point is this, yeah the Corey Liuget's, etc. are great, but there are players who could be just as good if not better with players like Whitney Mercilus, Ugo U, etc.

That's what sets them apart from others...if you think they've done something in the past though, wait 'til the future as I said. This '08 class is going to be special and there are more than a few high NFL drafts picks waiting to happen on it. I won't go through it as far as I can 'cause this is a Buckeye board (I already went really far) but read the Illinois boards if you want to know what I think as far as Illinois in the future (A lot of you probably are already seeing as though you've linked a post from me). I'm sure many will laugh but just watch...I'll be back a few times (A lot really) between now and the season and I'll DEFINITELY be back when the season is going on...

EDIT: I know that was a REALLY long post but just thought I would release all my thoughts from reading through this thread on my 1st post...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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