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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
Between the guys we've had waiting in the wings to take over for guys that SHOULD have left for the NFL (but didn't opt early) and the talent we've been recruiting, there shouldn't be anyone feeling bad for us. Heck, next year will be Chris Wells' senior year and he has already said he is planning on coming back next year (whether he really does that or not remains to be seen).reagdog;1228951; said:
Conservatively, we should be a top 10-15 team next year depending on how we do this year and who leaves early, but after the 2006 season, this coming year was supposed to be our next big chance to win it all. For all accounts and purposes, we should have been in the Rose Bowl last year... but ALL 6 teams in front of us lost after we got beat by Illinois and we beat michigan.
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OregonBuckeye
Semper Fi Buckeyes
reagdog;1228951; said:
Should be a very similar to '08 USC. Lose 3 starting OL, our top RB, our top receiver, senior QB, maybe a starting DL(Wilson), and a star CB. The only major difference is they return 2 star LB's while we won't(but we do have a budding one in Homan so that eases the losses). We also will play a similar schedule, getting USC at home as well as most of our toughest Big-10 opponents. If things go the way we hope this year, we should still be a preseason top 10 team in '09.
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generaladm
Legend
Gatorubet;1228918; said:
I know you probably don't see too many Big Ten games not featuring OSU, UM, or PSU where you live, but the spread offense is nothing new to the conference. Purdue and Northwestern were running the spread before it was cool. They are usually around the top of the conference in offensive production, but can't put a complete team together. Indiana has been using the spread lately, and PSU has utilized it when they had the players that fit. OSU ran the spread very successfully with Troy Smith. Really, the only Big Ten team that hasn't at least dabbled in the spread is Wisconsin. Coach Tressel commented at the Big Ten media conference that this year, with Rodriguez at UM, the majority of Big Ten teams will be running some form of the spread. Ohio State has faced some notable spread offenses in the past, such as Texas Tech in 2002, when Cliff Kingsbury was considered a Heisman candidate going into the game in Columbus. Ohio State has had a good deal of defensive success against spread teams, the people who say that OSU sucks against the spread are the ones who only watch one Bucks game a year, and the same ones who say they can't compete with SEC speed. Now, most of the spread offenses I've mentioned are more of the pass oriented variety. Illinois runs a spread option similar to what RichRod hopes to transfer to UM. While ILL was the Buckeye's worst defensive showing last year, I am obligated to point out that the Illini were spotted 14 points by horrible (and possibly fraudulent) officiating, and only won by 7. Also worth noting is that ILL did not score a rushing TD in that game.
reagdog;1228920; said:
The 2008 Buckeyes would go undefeated in any conference. Of course, anything can happen in the real world, but this Buckeyes team has the combination of talent and experience that is rarely seen in college football. Most media analysts who are worth their salt freely acknowledge that the fully healthy LSU team that we faced in the BCS championship would have beaten any team in the country, and that LSU's losses were due to injuries to key players. The perception that the SEC is vastly superior to all other conferences is perpetuated by conveniently trumpeting their most notable successes and ignoring the glaring shortcomings. In 2007, a mediocre UM squad put up 430 more yards against UF than against OSU, UGA was served up a patsy Hawaii matchup in their showcase game, Bama lost to UL-Monroe, and Auburn lost 4 games (including USF and Miss St.). I'm not saying that the SEC isn't a very good conference, and possibly the strongest over the last few years, but the idea that the top teams from all other conferences couldn't be competitive in their conference schedule is absurd.
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If tOSU was in the SEC...
I would still not take part in that cheer that yells out the conference's initials. :tongue2:
I would still not take part in that cheer that yells out the conference's initials. :tongue2:
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Against Texas 05 & 06, OSU's defense put on an absolute clinic. Holding 50 ppg Texas 05 (the offense that absolutely smoked the greatest team of all time's defense) to 23 (not counting the safety) was a great achievement, especially given that it took a tremendous late game drive to even break 20. They came back and held Texas 06 to 7 pts. The only score they gave up came after a bogus roughing the passer call to extend the drive.
Kansas State was supposed to be too fast according to some, between Roberson and Sproles, who were shut down quite tidily.
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rocketman
flying low
If you want to predict OSU's success in the SEC, you have to look at what makes the conference tough. It starts with the coaches: 5 of 12 have won a national championship. Then you have to look at the those guys and see how they win - from an outsider's perspective, they seem to win with a high-risk, high-reward mentality. To me, this makes the pace of the game much quicker (to many, this translates into "SEC SPEED!!!!111!"). Couple that with a conference championship game every year, and I agree with Gatorubet - it would be damn near impossible to be vying for our 4th straight conference title in the SEC (but... a case could be made that simply having a CCG makes a conference title that much harder to achieve).
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
rocketman;1229014; said:
I think this is a really good point and something I had never thought about before. This high risk high reward mentality that does seem to be so prevalent in the SEC also leads to a lot of the upsets every year, making the conference seem damn near impossible to get through unscathed.
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generaladm
Legend
powerlifter;1228930; said:
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that this was an OSU board, not an SEC love-in. Who on that LSU schedule, other than the three teams I noted as competitive, would be that much better than their Big Ten counterparts? Miss St., who just had their first > 3 win season since 2000, and scored > 21 only twice? So. Car., who lost to Vandy last year, and hasn't finished with < 5 losses since Holtz coached? Bama, who went 7-6, and lost to UL-Monroe? Arky, who just lost both NFL caliber RBs who catapulted them to the middle of the pack, and has a first year coach? Maybe it came off wrong with "actually compete", every game is competitive, but in how many of those games I just mentioned would the Buckeyes not be favored? None.
We are talking about 2008. Going by last years games, There were only a couple of games that were still in question going into the 4th quarter. This year, the team figures to be even better. 2007 may have been a down year for the Big Ten, but that doesn't mean that we didn't face competition that was on par with the SEC. A UM team that we absolutely manhandled went on to light up UF. We beat Wisky by 21, they lost by 4 to a Tenn team that came within one horrible play from winning the SEC. The SEC uses in conference losses as proof that every team is a powerhouse, what they fail to mention is that by and large, they play abolutely no one OOC, and they lose a few of those, too. Appy St., Tulane, N. Texas, and Troy makes our 2007 OOC sched look daunting.
I break it down like this: We play USC and at least two Big Ten teams that should be in the top 25 when we face them (any of UW, ILL, MSU, PSU); that balances out the UGA, UF, and AU games. The OOC games (excluding USC) balance out, if OSU's are not slightly harder. That leaves the Big Ten sched minus two of the weaker teams (Iowa and Indy) vs. the SEC shed minus two of the top teams (Tenn and LSU). Arky will be down after losing their marquee players. Bama will probably be improved, but are still unproven. I will not recognize So. Car. and Auburn as elite teams until they can prove they can make it thru a season with fewer than 4 losses. I will take any combination of UW, MSU, PSU, ILL, Purdue, and UM against those teams and be confident they will at least go .500.
As far as the SEC sched beating up "GREAT TEAMS", the Big Ten is just as physical. The last two NC games featured three teams, two of which were the SEC champions. That does nothing to prove that an 8-4 SEC team is superior to an 8-4 team from another conference. The best team in the country may have come from the SEC in consecutive years, but the conference will be noticeably weaker this year, Arky and LSU most notably. The top teams are good, but in no way head and shoulders above the rest of the NCAA. UF has serious defensive concerns, and UGA is putting a lot of stock in a QB who has yet to complete more than %56 of his passes. Sorry if I'm not bowing down to total SEC dominance based on two games, but the players who played the biggest part in those wins (except for Tebow) have moved on. We'll see what happens this year. An SEC team may very well make it to the NC game again, but if they don't, you can always use the schedule as an excuse.
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
I hear what you're saying, and I am not jumping up shocked at the assertion, but with all due respect for where I am posting, until you give one of us a beating that involves 31 unanswered points, or hold one of our offenses to 80 something total yards in a big BCS game, you are not going to sway the majority of non-Big-10 fans.
Scoreboard. It is a simple thing, and much less complicated than look who beat you, and we beat them. scUM played a great game, with some amazing catches against a Gator defense that did suck against a healthy passing offense. You can point to your win over scUM. I can point out we were the third best team in the SEC East that year, so losing 41-35 ain't that bad. You'd look at the 4 freaking turnovers, and say the skunk bears should have beaten us worse. But ya know, the BCS is supposed to the stage upon which we display the best our conference has to offer the football world. And until you show us your best is better than our best in the here and now - and, even better, that your best can open a can of whoop ass as big as 31 unanswered or the Gator DEs making your tackles look like turn-styles - you will have a very, very lucid and cerebral argument about how these three are as good as those three, etc., and one that I would not argue with as even unreasonable....but many people in the country will say "Yeah - but look at what happened in the BCS game!" And you also have to realize that such an opinion, based upon recent matchups, is also not a terribly unreasonable thing.
That is what you have to overcome, fair or not. And I am not saying that we are that much better than you, but I am saying that you are not giving scoreboard its due. And that is the one measure than trumps the esoteric musings about strength and how common opponents show how X is better than Y because Y lost to Z.
I say for the millionth time, kick USC's ass, and this all goes away.
Scoreboard. It is a simple thing, and much less complicated than look who beat you, and we beat them. scUM played a great game, with some amazing catches against a Gator defense that did suck against a healthy passing offense. You can point to your win over scUM. I can point out we were the third best team in the SEC East that year, so losing 41-35 ain't that bad. You'd look at the 4 freaking turnovers, and say the skunk bears should have beaten us worse. But ya know, the BCS is supposed to the stage upon which we display the best our conference has to offer the football world. And until you show us your best is better than our best in the here and now - and, even better, that your best can open a can of whoop ass as big as 31 unanswered or the Gator DEs making your tackles look like turn-styles - you will have a very, very lucid and cerebral argument about how these three are as good as those three, etc., and one that I would not argue with as even unreasonable....but many people in the country will say "Yeah - but look at what happened in the BCS game!" And you also have to realize that such an opinion, based upon recent matchups, is also not a terribly unreasonable thing.
That is what you have to overcome, fair or not. And I am not saying that we are that much better than you, but I am saying that you are not giving scoreboard its due. And that is the one measure than trumps the esoteric musings about strength and how common opponents show how X is better than Y because Y lost to Z.
I say for the millionth time, kick USC's ass, and this all goes away.
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In the market for some bridges? It will take much more than that to silence the vitriolic nation.
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Gatorubet
Loathing All Things Georgia
jwinslow;1229143; said:
Not be victorious, kick their asses all over their home field - and do it in such a fashion that they have nothing to say.
ESPIN loves the Trojans far more than the evil CBS SEC. They will be talking up the game like idiots, and when you kick their asses, kick the Golden Boy's ass in his own house, they have no choice up to annoint you. That is what they do.
Naturally, you have to beat someone in your bowl game, preferaly an SEC team, but an ass kicking at USC and a win of any kind over the SEC should do it.
I really think you overstate this SEC stuff too much. The entire sport is built upon short attention spans...that is why you hear so much stupid crap every day. Nobody can remember last week, let alone last year.
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