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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
vrb - my take on this is probably off the wall compared to what most (responsible) adults are recommending to you.
Despite the tardiness (c'mon - if they can't get there at 8:00, how can they demand your presence - get real).
Despite the frequent absences (and yep one a month is a pretty steady rate
) .
Despite the failed attempt at rapprochement.
Despite your evident zeal to actually try hard on the job when there. AND
Despite the piss-poor treatment they accorded you at the end, let alone the beginning.
I think 2 things ..
A - You need this fella in your corner to take them down ... Make sure he works on contingency.
Why?
Because you are putting WAY too much emphasis on what is one of your first jobs. Frankly, from the sound of it you were (when there) under-paid, over-worked and completely unappreciated by those who signed your checks. You owe those owners there nothing, nada, zilch. They are a blight in your present which will soon be in your past. Those whom you like there will think not one jot nor tittle less if you take the high-toned highbrows down a peg or two. Count on those friends for references. Conversely, why would you even want to worry about what the retarded panty-waist office manager says about you one day, let alone one year down the line. Being full of lawyers the likely response of the firm will be to offer a succinct "we cannot comment on past employees" line, and merely confirm the months during which you actually worked there. You have nothing to defend in terms of a valuable reference. Cut your losses and move on. If you have some position now available as an interim measure then move now.
There is little worse in life than breathing a poisonous atmosphere and it sounds like that is what is pervading the office at your present place of work.
B -- I know you didn't want career advice, but I guess that comes with the territory. You are out of one position (soon, if I were you NOW) and looking for something better. Yet, you also have a goal to accomplish something more in an academic field.
OSUSushichic was closest to this is suggesting mcgraw-hill, and I agree, you need to find an entree into some field that more directly employs your skills - here is why...
An employer like that may actually value what you do. Said valuation to include better renumeration, along with the prospect of supporting you even if only in part, through some part or other of Graduate School.
Oh yes - last but not least ...
Anyone that has this slogan ... "Remember when you took chances and the results were worth the risk?" but doesn't truly live that credo, does not deserve your time, let alone your respect.
Fuck 'Em - pack your bags and move on to greener ($$) pastures.
Despite the tardiness (c'mon - if they can't get there at 8:00, how can they demand your presence - get real).
Despite the frequent absences (and yep one a month is a pretty steady rate
) .Despite the failed attempt at rapprochement.
Despite your evident zeal to actually try hard on the job when there. AND
Despite the piss-poor treatment they accorded you at the end, let alone the beginning.
I think 2 things ..
A - You need this fella in your corner to take them down ... Make sure he works on contingency.
Why?
Because you are putting WAY too much emphasis on what is one of your first jobs. Frankly, from the sound of it you were (when there) under-paid, over-worked and completely unappreciated by those who signed your checks. You owe those owners there nothing, nada, zilch. They are a blight in your present which will soon be in your past. Those whom you like there will think not one jot nor tittle less if you take the high-toned highbrows down a peg or two. Count on those friends for references. Conversely, why would you even want to worry about what the retarded panty-waist office manager says about you one day, let alone one year down the line. Being full of lawyers the likely response of the firm will be to offer a succinct "we cannot comment on past employees" line, and merely confirm the months during which you actually worked there. You have nothing to defend in terms of a valuable reference. Cut your losses and move on. If you have some position now available as an interim measure then move now.
There is little worse in life than breathing a poisonous atmosphere and it sounds like that is what is pervading the office at your present place of work.
B -- I know you didn't want career advice, but I guess that comes with the territory. You are out of one position (soon, if I were you NOW) and looking for something better. Yet, you also have a goal to accomplish something more in an academic field.
OSUSushichic was closest to this is suggesting mcgraw-hill, and I agree, you need to find an entree into some field that more directly employs your skills - here is why...
An employer like that may actually value what you do. Said valuation to include better renumeration, along with the prospect of supporting you even if only in part, through some part or other of Graduate School.
Oh yes - last but not least ...
Anyone that has this slogan ... "Remember when you took chances and the results were worth the risk?" but doesn't truly live that credo, does not deserve your time, let alone your respect.
Fuck 'Em - pack your bags and move on to greener ($$) pastures.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
I just want to add several things.
Several things. Thank you, you may resume.
Ok, seriously, to address Steve's question....to my knowledge, outside of general guidelines and government employees, federal law does not control employment, state law does. Ohio law basically states that an employee can be fired for basically any cause that isn't specifically protected by statute, or even for no cause at all. Period. End of story. It's virtually impossible to win a "wrongful termination" case in Ohio, unless it's an instance of a breach of contract, or if the cause of termination was a "protected" issue, such as nationality, age, etc.
Second, while I certainly agree that The Firm sounds like a horrible experience, it is also their American right to do whatever the fuck they want with their company. The nice thing is, Vince has the right to tell them to fuck off if he wants. Are these guys assholes? Yeah, it sure sounds like it...but it's still their company, so it's their call. What makes me sick (and what sounds like Vince's main problem as well) is that these guys are such pussies that they don't have the balls to just do what they want, they're trying to force Vince to do it for them. Pussies.
In keeping with Clarity's new posting style, I will also say: Thirdly, cat urine? Why go to all the hassle? Just kill the annoying little furfucks and leave feline corpses on your bosses chairs.
Fourth, a minor addition to what was discussed earlier - in Ohio, it is against the law for a former employer to give negative feedback on a former employee, either expressly or inferred. It is definitely against the law for a former employer to advise your new employer that you were terminated, or any other negative specifics.
Fifth, that's all I have to say.
Sixth, Tatonka.
Several things. Thank you, you may resume.
Ok, seriously, to address Steve's question....to my knowledge, outside of general guidelines and government employees, federal law does not control employment, state law does. Ohio law basically states that an employee can be fired for basically any cause that isn't specifically protected by statute, or even for no cause at all. Period. End of story. It's virtually impossible to win a "wrongful termination" case in Ohio, unless it's an instance of a breach of contract, or if the cause of termination was a "protected" issue, such as nationality, age, etc.
Second, while I certainly agree that The Firm sounds like a horrible experience, it is also their American right to do whatever the fuck they want with their company. The nice thing is, Vince has the right to tell them to fuck off if he wants. Are these guys assholes? Yeah, it sure sounds like it...but it's still their company, so it's their call. What makes me sick (and what sounds like Vince's main problem as well) is that these guys are such pussies that they don't have the balls to just do what they want, they're trying to force Vince to do it for them. Pussies.
In keeping with Clarity's new posting style, I will also say: Thirdly, cat urine? Why go to all the hassle? Just kill the annoying little furfucks and leave feline corpses on your bosses chairs.
Fourth, a minor addition to what was discussed earlier - in Ohio, it is against the law for a former employer to give negative feedback on a former employee, either expressly or inferred. It is definitely against the law for a former employer to advise your new employer that you were terminated, or any other negative specifics.
Fifth, that's all I have to say.
Sixth, Tatonka.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
While I have ingested a tolerable amount of alcohol, I am quite proud of this statement. I may have to make it my new sig...
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You are completely correct...they are indeed canning you because of your "lack of commitment", but they're using the sick days and tardiness as the excuse, because those reasons will be much easier to defend should you decide to turn around and sue their asses, not to mention it makes you look like the bad guy and not them.
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
is it illegal or for fear of possible lawsuits?
when asked a question i cant say with 100% certainty and be positive about the person i decline comment
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BNy law the only info you are allowed to give is the day the person started, the persons last day of employement, and you can confirm what the final salary was nothing else.
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vrb - my take on this is probably off the wall compared to what most (responsible) adults are recommending to you.
Despite the tardiness (c'mon - if they can't get there at 8:00, how can they demand your presence - get real).
Despite the frequent absences (and yep one a month is a pretty steady rate
Despite the failed attempt at rapprochement.
Despite your evident zeal to actually try hard on the job when there. AND
Despite the piss-poor treatment they accorded you at the end, let alone the beginning.
I think 2 things ..
A - You need this fella in your corner to take them down ... Make sure he works on contingency.
Why?
Because you are putting WAY too much emphasis on what is one of your first jobs. Frankly, from the sound of it you were (when there) under-paid, over-worked and completely unappreciated by those who signed your checks. You owe those owners there nothing, nada, zilch. They are a blight in your present which will soon be in your past. Those whom you like there will think not one jot nor tittle less if you take the high-toned highbrows down a peg or two. Count on those friends for references. Conversely, why would you even want to worry about what the retarded panty-waist office manager says about you one day, let alone one year down the line. Being full of lawyers the likely response of the firm will be to offer a succinct "we cannot comment on past employees" line, and merely confirm the months during which you actually worked there. You have nothing to defend in terms of a valuable reference. Cut your losses and move on. If you have some position now available as an interim measure then move now.
There is little worse in life than breathing a poisonous atmosphere and it sounds like that is what is pervading the office at your present place of work.
B -- I know you didn't want career advice, but I guess that comes with the territory. You are out of one position (soon, if I were you NOW) and looking for something better. Yet, you also have a goal to accomplish something more in an academic field.
OSUSushichic was closest to this is suggesting mcgraw-hill, and I agree, you need to find an entree into some field that more directly employs your skills - here is why...
An employer like that may actually value what you do. Said valuation to include better renumeration, along with the prospect of supporting you even if only in part, through some part or other of Graduate School.
Oh yes - last but not least ...
Anyone that has this slogan ... "Remember when you took chances and the results were worth the risk?" but doesn't truly live that credo, does not deserve your time, let alone your respect.
Fuck 'Em - pack your bags and move on to greener ($$) pastures.
Isn't that the guy who make he mail be brought to him like this? I don't know if I would want to work with him.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
It's law. The reason lawsuits arise is because companies violate this law, which leads to civil suits.
As for what you can and can't say, buckeyefool is mostly correct. You are allowed to say positive things, but you cannot say anything negative. Most people will only offer the minimum, but if the former employer wishes, it can volunteer information that is positive, such as "Stellar employee" or "excellent self-motivator" etc., etc. But even a comment like "tardiness problems" is against the law.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
Oh, and as for a last day prank...I'm a big fan of changing/adding passwords to the computers. It's great.
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Buck Nasty
You'll have nothing and like it
I really like the cat urine idea, I only wish the rest of my company was not 1000 miles away. Is it legal to take cat pee on an airplane?
I would suggest using the old frozen shaving cream trick, except do not put it in their office, throw a few of them in all the filing cabinets. Just do it tomorrow instead of your last day, that way you can spread the suspicion around the office.
And whatever you do, make sure you take your stapler with you when you leave.
You could also try to get fired for some minor reason before your resignation date.
I would suggest using the old frozen shaving cream trick, except do not put it in their office, throw a few of them in all the filing cabinets. Just do it tomorrow instead of your last day, that way you can spread the suspicion around the office.
And whatever you do, make sure you take your stapler with you when you leave.
You could also try to get fired for some minor reason before your resignation date.
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PrincessPeach
I want to ride my bicycle.
Please keep in mind that this would be my problem to clean up... I mean, I about have a foot out the door, too... but... well... let's just save this one for my last day prank, please. :)
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