I am not all in

[amybuckeye]

Tell you what - if Amy agrees to donate to the 2011 spring drive, I'll quit posting for the night. :p ???? Taker Amykins???

I will donate gladly if you agree to join Amway.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

The e-mails do make it look pretty bad. Now, we all can be selfish and think, "Well, he should reported this internally", but I think he initially weighed the options and felt that any potential leak of information regarding players possibly being involved could jeopardize their safety. In hind sight, nearly all of us would say he should've brought this to the attention of someone within the athletic and/or compliance functions, but I think he was at the time making the decision he felt was in protection of his players, and by protection I mean from criminals and not the NCAA (although you could argue they're one and the same).

One needs to look at intent here. Did he find out about players violating NCAA rules? Yep. Were the violations "stand-alone" violations, i.e., were they simply violations that had no other potential consequences? Nope. He wasn't refraining from reporting the violations because players could get suspended but rather because players could be in serious peopardy through retatiation by the criminal element. Tressel's 15 years in Youngstown taught him that there are folks you simply don't risk fucking with.

It's not like he found out that Pryor and Herron were selling personal stuff to some old folks home--where there is no potential danger--for big profits and then went out of his way to cover it up.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

On the field, I've almost always been "all in" because the guy can flat out coach.

Off the field, I've always been a bit skeptical - yes he's good with discipline when it's Marcel Frost or Erik Haw or James Scott or some other non-contributor ... but he has allowed far too many star players to tarnish his reputation, going all the way back to Ray Isaacs at YSU, and of course MoC, Troy, and now Pryor here at tOSU. I do believe that JT is a high character guy in most respects, but it does appear that he has occasional bouts of wilfull ignorance, especially when an irreplaceable player is concerned.

 

[amybuckeye]

The e-mails do make it look pretty bad. Now, we all can be selfish and think, "Well, he should reported this internally", but I think he initially weighed the options and felt that any potential leak of information regarding players possibly being involved could jeopardize their safety. In hind sight, nearly all of us would say he should've brought this to the attention of someone within the athletic and/or compliance functions, but I think he was at the time making the decision he felt was in protection of his players, and by protection I mean from criminals and not the NCAA (although you could argue they're one and the same).

One needs to look at intent here. Did he find out about players violating NCAA rules? Yep. Were the violations "stand-alone" violations, i.e., were they simply violations that had no other potential consequences? Nope. He wasn't refraining from reporting the violations because players could get suspended but rather because players could be in serious peopardy through retatiation by the criminal element. Tressel's 15 years in Youngstown taught him that there are folks you simply don't risk [censored]ing with.

It's not like he found out that Pryor and Herron were selling personal stuff to some old folks home--where there is no potential danger--for big profits and then went out of his way to cover it up.

I suppose.

By the way I looked up pictures of the tatoo artist in question with this whole fiasco and he is at worst a "pasty gangsta". Kermit the frog would strike more fear into my heart than that dude.

 

[amybuckeye]

On the field, I've almost always been "all in" because the guy can flat out coach.

Off the field, I've always been a bit skeptical - yes he's good with discipline when it's Marcel Frost or Erik Haw or James Scott or some other non-contributor ... but he has allowed far too many star players to tarnish his reputation, going all the way back to Ray Isaacs at YSU, and of course MoC, Troy, and now Pryor here at tOSU. I do believe that JT is a high character guy in most respects, but it does appear that he has occasional bouts of wilfull ignorance, especially when an irreplaceable player is concerned.

Yeah, the evidence is overwhelming. Irreplaceable players definitely seem to have a few extra get out of jail cards, that's for sure.

 

[3074326]

Man, I'm so disappointed right now. I was in support of Tressel until I read those e-mails, but those are beyond disappointing. Going to sleep on it before I say anything else..

 

[daddyphatsacs]

On the field, I've almost always been "all in" because the guy can flat out coach.

Off the field, I've always been a bit skeptical - yes he's good with discipline when it's Marcel Frost or Erik Haw or James Scott or some other non-contributor ... but he has allowed far too many star players to tarnish his reputation, going all the way back to Ray Isaacs at YSU, and of course MoC, Troy, and now Pryor here at tOSU. I do believe that JT is a high character guy in most respects, but it does appear that he has occasional bouts of wilfull ignorance, especially when an irreplaceable player is concerned.

Bingo. Great post LJB, you summed up my thoughts very well. I was just having the same conversation earlier this afternoon with my brother.

I read those emails tonight and come away with mixed feelings. My initial thought is that JT's presser tonight did a nice job of covering all those emails from a legal standpoint. When all else fails, play the ignorant card. Mind you, I have slept 4 1/2 hours in the past day......so my thoughts are a bit jaded.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

i'm neither all in nor all out. i'm half in and half out. i guess that makes me wading in the kiddie pool.

seriously, though, i don't have enough information to know where i feel comfortable standing. i support tressel the man, but i do not have to support his actions. quite a bit about this stinks something fierce, but, again, i think we're in only the second act of this tragic play. let's hope that the denouement is swift, appropriate, but also justly kind to the buckeye nation.

 

[billmac91]

Does anyone remember when Gene Smith stated that the players were selling gear and memorabilia to help families going through hard economic times?

And now JT is asking in e-mails if any other names have surfaced so he could hold it as collateral? And in the e-mails JT's source flat out states they're trading gear for tats...

As bad as the press conference was today, the one in December the first time around was even worse. If something smells like a rat, looks like a rat, and talks like a rat sometimes it is Jeff Garcia.

Today smelled funny.

 

[starBUCKS]

The whole "any names from our last discussion?? I would like to hold some collateral if you know what I mean ... jt" is the one thing that makes me feel a little icky about this thing. He seemingly goes from wanting to help, to wanting something to hold over the suspected players. Now, we all know that words can sometimes come across differently than the writer meant. But, collateral for what? The e-mails end there... so, we don't really know, and he could be implying that he would approach those players with the truth card in his back pocket and question them... or use it later on at his discretion. Maybe the use of "collateral" was a poor word to use.

 

[Magua]

Gator I really don't have a problem with you posting on this topic. In fact I gave you a greenie to show support. However, I'm starting to notice that you have probably posted the most out of everybody in the Tressel/NCAA violations related threads. Considering the fact that you are not an OSU fan, your frequency of posts on this topic is starting to morph into troll-like behavior. Let me paint a clearer picture. If BuckeyePlanet were a room full of people discussing OSU football and the recent NCAA violations, you'd be yapping away while the rest of us are gasping for air and reaching for oxygen masks. Think about taking a breather. Just saying....

Gator carries more weight around here than most buckeye fans do...

I also tend to believe Gator has become an OSU fan since his time here and would rank us 2nd behind his Gators :)

 

[BuckNut65]

The e-mails do make it look pretty bad. Now, we all can be selfish and think, "Well, he should reported this internally", but I think he initially weighed the options and felt that any potential leak of information regarding players possibly being involved could jeopardize their safety. In hind sight, nearly all of us would say he should've brought this to the attention of someone within the athletic and/or compliance functions, but I think he was at the time making the decision he felt was in protection of his players, and by protection I mean from criminals and not the NCAA (although you could argue they're one and the same).

You can't be serious...you read the e-mails. If this was Saban or some other SEC coach would you be willing to give them the same benefit of the doubt?? We all want to justify his actions but in the end, if you look at the big picture, we are starting to look like all of the other schools that we loathe or mock.

 

[buckeyefan_1]

The whole "any names from our last discussion?? I would like to hold some collateral if you know what I mean ... jt" is the one thing that makes me feel a little icky about this thing. He seemingly goes from wanting to help, to wanting something to hold over the suspected players. Now, we all know that words can sometimes come across differently than the writer meant. But, collateral for what? The e-mails end there... so, we don't really know, and he could be implying that he would approach those players with the truth card in his back pocket and question them... or use it later on at his discretion. Maybe the use of "collateral" was a poor word to use.

Star...about the "holding some collateral" sentence...i thought he was implying that they were to recieve the newest championship rings and that he was going to hold them(as in refrain from giving them) to the players who had sold said rings in the past. i only read the email once so i may be way off here but thats the way i took it. im going to go read it again. :)

 

[starBUCKS]

Star...about the "holding some collateral" sentence...i thought he was implying that they were to recieve the newest championship rings and that he was going to hold them(as in refrain from giving them) to the players who had sold said rings in the past. i only read the email once so i may be way off here but thats the way i took it. im going to go read it again. :)

Yeah, you could be totally right.

 

[Gatorubet]

Gator carries more weight around here than most buckeye fans do...

I also tend to believe Gator has become an OSU fan since his time here and would rank us 2nd behind his Gators :)

While I carry zero weight more than any Buckeye fan here, I do support the Buckeyes after my years being allowed to hang here, and the friends on line and in real life I have had the privilege to meet and have a beer with.

But I ain't a troll. And I am a Buckeye fan now. Which is why this whole mess hurts.