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Jaxbuck;971096; said:
All in fun and discussion. How else will we pass the time in corporate America?
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Mr. Incredible;971101; said:
All in fun and discussion. How else will we pass the time in corporate America?
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you can tell he has his man covered because his man doesn't catch the ball. i know what you're saying WRT the end zone cam, but this is basic common sense. if his guy wasn't covered, he would be catching balls.
let's revisit how Dorien Bryant fared against Malcom, shall we? 2 catches for -4 yards... yup, MJ has definitely slipped a bit this year...
let's revisit how Dorien Bryant fared against Malcom, shall we? 2 catches for -4 yards... yup, MJ has definitely slipped a bit this year...
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I made this determination by carefully listening what he had to say about Ohio State and Big 10 Football.. I then asked him "Do you watch ESPN?" He replied "Everyday." Proud as could be. I explained that "this is our problem."Mr. Incredible;971085; said:
I never said it applied to you. This means that Thumps post, which alluded to you knowing football simply because you played it in college, dosen't apply to everyone who played college ball.Mr. Incredible;971085; said:
In addition, please re-read my post, as I was quoting Thump.. not you.Mr. Incredible;971085; said:
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Can we take this pissing match to PMs or something? Or maybe even MJ's thread? Cause it really doesn't have anything at all to do with the Penn State game this Saturday.
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lvbuckeye;971112; said:
Okay, so every time a COLLEGE QB goes through his progressions, he always finds the perfect receiver. No COLLEGE QB ever locks on a receiver or misses a break-down in coverage.
Bleed S & G;971114; said:
Accepted, I appreciate the explanation. Just looking around to see if I was being shot at. I take it your EsPN jab was a tad tongue-in-cheek as they do have a few... okay a couple solid analysts. Jaws is annoying as fuck (can that guy ever talk normally?) but he knows his X's and O's (as he should).
BengalsAndBucks;971115; said:
Sure it does; if you read the thread we were talking about OSU's DBs and the threat PSUs offense poses. No pissing here.
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lvbuckeye
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Mr. Incredible;971128; said:Okay, so every time a COLLEGE QB goes through his progressions, he always finds the perfect receiver. No COLLEGE QB ever locks on a receiver or misses a break-down in coverage.
no college QB ever completely ignores his #1 receiver for an entire game, either. your argument makes no sense. are you telling me that Purdue's game plan was to NOT utilize on their best receiver, and focus on getting the ball to their lesser playmakers?
or is the better explanation that Malcom Jenkins completely erased Bryant from the equation?
logic, man. use it.
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lvbuckeye;971175; said:
What are you talking about? Do you understand the schematics of a passing tree and philosophies of play creation? If Jenkins were the one and only playmaker on tOSU defense, nearly any offense could compose pre-play motions to take him out of that responsibility. And you really think that Jenkins was the only DB covering a particular receiver in any game? In cover two (mind you, probably the single most popular coverage in tOSU defense), a receiver goes in motion; riddle me this- does Jenkins go with him? Do you know what cover 2 is?
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Mr. I - where do you think MJ has... I guess I'll say regressed? Not improved? I tend to agree that the lack of balls coming his way tends to support that his man is locked down (like you, I only have the TV angles, which is typically poor to know what's going on in the secondary), and nothing MJ's done this year really stands out to me as being worse than last year.
I understand you're not arguing MJ suddenly stinks, and just that you had higher expectations, but I was hoping you could put more of a point on it than you have here so far with some particulars.
I understand you're not arguing MJ suddenly stinks, and just that you had higher expectations, but I was hoping you could put more of a point on it than you have here so far with some particulars.
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;971219; said:
How very pc of you. :p
What he really means is, pass what you're smoking.
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Thank you for being so gentle, BKB. That is essentially where I am going with this. Keep in mind I point to the first part of the season in which I was basing the evaluation. He set the bar so high that some other players in the secondary have eclipsed expectations. Mind you, MJ "slipping in performance" isn't saying he is worse than last year through talent regression. I'm speaking in terms relative to the defensive backfield, as I think his contribution hasn't been as significant relative to the other players (in comparison to last year). Sometimes I wonder if some of the mistakes or lack of "stats" (layman reference) is in part due to the maturity of these players over the past year and their desire to make an impact. Read: MJ now has a supporting cast second to none and doesn't bear the weight he once did. The urgency some players experience when they feel they are on an island is a direct link to a "survival of the fittest" mode. Some players feel pressed when they believe that they need to make the play or it won't be made. Is the lack of numbers a way to judge a player? Of course not, as the impact on the game is much more significant. Take Tank Whaley as the model in that scenario. This FB can't be judged solely based upon his carries. He adds so much more that can't be summarized through figures. I do feel defenses shy away from MJ because of the type of player he is/ has proven to be. However, I'm not proposing by any stretch that the stats have anything to do with my comments. I don't even know his stats to date, nor have I compared them to last year. I offer this opinion based on particular circumstances in which I feel he would've/should've been the first one to the ball and wasn't, should have been over the top on a particular coverage and missed, etc.
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Well, I think I can agree that MJ.... or any player... has not played a perfect season.. nor a perfect game. But, that said, I would say it looks to me that your contention is more that MJ isn't all over the place because the secondary is better than last year. On this, I would say the numbers DO bear that out. I think Donald Washington is under appreciated in what he's been able to do, and despite his four drops, Anderson Russell has likewise been lights out. Finally, Coleman - to my knowledge - has never been out of position. I think when Chekwa comes in, you see MJ's versatility in moving to safety, and of course, when that happens, you can't avoid him. If I'm not mistaken, both of his picks have come in nickel situations. Anyway, I would agree with you that MJ doesn't have to over extend himself this year, and that he maybe did on occasion last year. I don't know if that's a negative, though. I mean, yeah, he was up to the task last year, but in an overall scheme, I'd say it's best that MJ can relax a little bit and shut down his side of the field having the trust in his mates that they'll make the plays he may have been asked to make last year.
Well, I think I can agree that MJ.... or any player... has not played a perfect season.. nor a perfect game. But, that said, I would say it looks to me that your contention is more that MJ isn't all over the place because the secondary is better than last year. On this, I would say the numbers DO bear that out. I think Donald Washington is under appreciated in what he's been able to do, and despite his four drops, Anderson Russell has likewise been lights out. Finally, Coleman - to my knowledge - has never been out of position. I think when Chekwa comes in, you see MJ's versatility in moving to safety, and of course, when that happens, you can't avoid him. If I'm not mistaken, both of his picks have come in nickel situations. Anyway, I would agree with you that MJ doesn't have to over extend himself this year, and that he maybe did on occasion last year. I don't know if that's a negative, though. I mean, yeah, he was up to the task last year, but in an overall scheme, I'd say it's best that MJ can relax a little bit and shut down his side of the field having the trust in his mates that they'll make the plays he may have been asked to make last year.
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Could you please offer a specific example of a glaring error by Jenkins this year? For such a strong stance, there must be a handful of examples.
If there's one thing Jenkins does not lack, it's fire/desire. I think he'd jump up screaming if he won the toss before a game of madden.
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