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Homeschooling debate

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scooter1369;1109399; said:
I find this stance surprising from you, Ryn. Why is there some perception that because a child is homeschooled, they never interact with other children? Most homeschoolers do so in groups. Some as many as 15 to 20 kids working in study groups with adult supervision using a designed curriculum that typically exceeds the local public school standards.

Many studies have proven that homschooled kids cover twice the material that public school children do, due to the lack of classroom distractions, calamity days, more structured environment and freedom of using time wisely and effeciently.

There is a reason the public school systems in the U.S. are the laughing stock of the developed countries. They cater to the weakest link in the name of preserving self esteem and sheltering our precious little snowflakes from disappointment and heartbreak.

Its the same mentality that says in sports, score shouldn't be kept, standings aren't kept, everyone gets a trophy and no champion decided. God forbid our wonderfully perfect children aren't the center of the universe with every adult they come in contact with catering to their every whim.

Guess what? Not everyone is going to be a winner everytime. Some kids work harder to get better, that is why they win. Not every kid can be valedictorian. Some kids are simply smarter than our kids and some kids have a financial advantage. Success come to those who earn it.

If I had the time and patience, and didn't already live in an area with a respected school system and teachers I know personally, I'd homeschool my children.

My daughters interact with other kids all week without school being a factor between softball, teeball, martial arts, girl scouts and neighborhood friends. They don't need the influence of little Johnny Pyro who's parents don't pay attention to and is always acting up in class and is never disciplined because mom and dad would pitch a fit to the school board. The positive influences my girls get in their activities outside of school far exceed the average influence in school.

My question is, Why the hell wouldn't you homeschool if you could?
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I can't help but agree in entirity. It's arrogant on my part, but I believe that my daughter (and newborn son) can exceed what they can gain in a public school curriculum. Hell... I'm of the persuasion that a child can start homeschooling by 9-10 and still graduate with his/her public school mates at 17-18. The amount of wasted time in a public school setting is enormous. And you nipped the cause right in the bud.
 
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muffler dragon;1109408; said:
Why would that matter?

IMO, a child learns by longer periods of consideration and understanding. Bombardment CAN lead to confusion. The way my daughter learns is by being able to chew on something and come to her own conclusions. Thus, her type would not find inundation conducive.
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BKB is the "thinker" at our house, as I have termed it.... I am a more active person... I jump, try to land on my feet and if I don't say, "damn, I shouldn't have done that, I will do it differently next time." While BKB sits and contemplates his navel to no end, often missing the opportunity or thinking too deeply about the simplistic message trying to be sent/taught.
 
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BuckeyeRyn;1109416; said:
BKB is the "thinker" at our house, as I have termed it.... I am a more active person... I jump, try to land on my feet and if I don't say, "damn, I shouldn't have done that, I will do it differently next time." While BKB sits and contemplates his navel to no end, often missing the opportunity or thinking too deeply about the simplistic message trying to be sent/taught.
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I guess there are a few of us around. :biggrin: I'm the same as thine hubby.
 
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BuckeyeRyn;1109416; said:
BKB is the "thinker" at our house, as I have termed it.... I am a more active person... I jump, try to land on my feet and if I don't say, "damn, I shouldn't have done that, I will do it differently next time." While BKB sits and contemplates his navel to no end, often missing the opportunity or thinking too deeply about the simplistic message trying to be sent/taught.
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Bullshit. I figured out my navel years ago.
 
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jwinslow;1109375; said:
:slappy: Not sure you were lucky enough to get the 'creative writing' curriculum, where they refused to teach grammar, or correct any mistakes in submitted assignments. They didn't want to impede creativity, but instead impeded literacy. I was very fortunate to move out of that town before HS.
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My brother got all that crap (he was in your same school year).

I JUST missed it :slappy:
 
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Taosman;1109356; said:
Parents should... be parents and not educators. They are not trained to educate and have to devote a huge amount of their time to just parenting.
Many have trouble just parenting.
Let parents teach moral values and educator's teach math and science.
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parenting is educating. if you do not educate your child as a parent, and you choose to allow the school system to be the sole form of education then you are not giving that child as much as as you should
 
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BuckeyeRyn;1109416; said:
BKB is the "thinker" at our house, as I have termed it.... I am a more active person... I jump, try to land on my feet and if I don't say, "damn, I shouldn't have done that, I will do it differently next time." While BKB sits and contemplates his navel to no end, often missing the opportunity or thinking too deeply about the simplistic message trying to be sent/taught.
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No way! This has to be joke!

bkb said:
Bullshit. I figured out my navel years ago.
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Out of curiosity, is it one of those multiverses you are always mentioning?
 
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BuckeyeRyn;1109387; said:
I know the socialization of my children is my responsiblity... I'm talking about the lessons learned at school that are social/problem learning experiences... i.e. the child doesn't like his/her teacher... learn to deal with it, there will be people in your life, throughout your entire life you won't like but still have to deal with. 2. I forgot my lunch money, what will I need to do to eat lunch today. 3. I have been selected as Captain of the Red Rover team, I need to pick my players... or, I was picked last for the Red Rover team. 4. I was sent to the principal's office for something I didn't do, what do I do now? I know someone else was sent to the principal's office for something they didn't do but I did..

I could obviously go on and on with different scenarios... these are just a few to prove there are things that happen at school that simply can't be duplicated at home...
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Point is, and one with which I agree (Surprised?), the school setting has the advantage of teaching kids subtly about the "real world" It's like a job, and I've learned how to deal with reporting here every day and so on owing to lessons I learned from schooling. I wasn't with a bunch of people I liked all the time. I had to deal with people I thought were assholes... I had to improvise when I forgot my lunch... shit like that. Just like the real world, where I don't get to hang out with my buddies and loved ones all day long singing songs and cleaning up parks.

There is also no question in my mind that the schools can and should be improved in terms of education. That is, it's not so bad (in my mind) that our kids are nothing but drooling idiots or whatever (there's good schooling out there, and I happen to have purposely moved to where I did so that I got in a good school... err.. my kids did, I mean) but it certainly can be improved.

While there are indeed folks out there who would do well in the home schooling environment.. and parents who take it seriously and are smart enough to actually teach approrpriately and so on... not everyone has that kind of time, for one thing, not everyone has that kind of ability for another (I sure as fuck can't teach math, for example)... and there are several instances of "home schooling" I have delt with in my professional life which was nothing more than a way for parents to commit their kids to forced labor. I know that's not the "standard" but there's down side to homeschooling as well, and it's not just the socialization issue.
 
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