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Holbrook gets $250k bonus for her efforts

What should Karen A. Holbrook get for leaving OSU?

  • Bonus of $250,000 or more

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • Something less than $250,000

    Votes: 5 13.9%
  • A thank you card & a piece of Tibor's leftover birthday cake

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • A swift kick in the @ss

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • Total voters
    36
scooter1369;886571; said:
I heard one story say President at UF. Good luck Gainesville....

I also heard she going to retire for good.

Well... I guess I was trying to get a sense of whether she was going to move on... retire completely or looking into a semi-retirement situation where maybe she could be a contributor to the university in some other capacity... if that's the case... (and it was amenable to Gee, etc) I think throwing some extra dough her way might not be a bad idea.
 
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I doubt that she's staying at Ohio State. While she'd be a great provost or vp for research, it's a little awkward to have a former president assume those roles, and I assume that Gee will want his own people in those positions. If a retiring president decides to stay at the university, they usually do so as a regular faculty member which is what Jennings did.
 
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coastalbuck;886536; said:
I'm with Bobcat here. Pay her what her contract called for, maybe even a little 10k parting kiss, but not the amount she received. I'm not sure the board should be allowed to reward anyone outside of contractual agreements, in fact, I don't think they should have the ability to do so.

Who should make these decisions? State politicians or our board, who both are intimately familiar with the university and Holbrook's accomplishments and run or ran corporations that include P&G, The Limited and BF Goodrich. Ohio State is a 4 billion dollar a year entity. To award a 250K bonus to a CEO who left a stellar record of achievement behind is entirely appropriate. Hell, last year alone (in a non-campaign year) we raised 284 million dollars in donations (and before anyone jumps this tired bandwagon, athletics has nothing to do with overall fundraising) and took in another 650 million dollars in external research funding.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;886644; said:
Who should make these decisions? State politicians or our board, who both are intimately familiar with the university and Holbrook's accomplishments and run or ran corporations that include P&G, The Limited and BF Goodrich. Ohio State is a 4 billion dollar a year entity. To award a 250K bonus to a CEO who left a stellar record of achievement behind is entirely appropriate. Hell, last year alone (in a non-campaign year) we raised 284 million dollars in donations (and before anyone jumps this tired bandwagon, athletics has nothing to do with overall fundraising) and took in another 650 million dollars in external research funding.

I don't think anyone should make them because if they're not contractually based they shouldn't be made. IMO. I'm not saying she didn't deserve a bonus, I'm saying she should have gotten the bonus she was owed, not an inflated one because she was leaving.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;886383; said:
Then, why have we made considerable advances in every catagory and ranking under her tenure including undergraduate rankings and admissions selectivity. Last year, we had a 25% increase in overall applications and a 50% increase from students with 32+ ACT scores. We reached a point under Holbrook where we're turning down nearly one out of every two applicants (48% rejection rate for the '07 freshman class). Something good must be going on at the undergraduate level because the top high school students are flocking to Ohio State in record numbers, we've left Miami in the dust on admissions and our national reputation hasn't been this good since the 1950s. While Holbrook (along with Kirwan and Gee) all were building on the real hard work that Ed Jennings did in the 1980s of undoing the Jim Rhodes' madness, she has done an admirable job in continuing their progress. If you want to see what an honestly bad university president is look down to Athens and that clown McDavis who bounces from one scandal to another all the while dropping 12 spots in the last two USN&WR rankings and pulling in freshman classes that have more students from the bottom half of their high school class than from the top tenth.

As for the whole research angle. Ohio State is a research university. It always has been. It was founded by Rutherford B. Hayes and the state's post-Civil War political and business leadership to be the state's comprehensive flagship university. In 1906, the state legally mandated (through the Eagleson Bill) that only Ohio State among public universities could offer doctoral education or conduct basic research. The law stood until the 1950s. In 1916, Ohio State was elected into America's premier organization of public and private research universities--the AAU. In 1938, the Ohio State Research Foundation was created to bring in outside funding for faculty research projects. Holbrook did not suddenly turn Ohio State into a research university. If somebody doesn't want to attend a "research university" they shouldn't apply to Ohio State nor should they expect Ohio State to change its mission to accomodate them. Let's also not lose sight of the fact that the 650 million dollars in external research funding that Ohio State received in 2006 translates, using the federal government's standard multipliers, into 24,000 jobs and 9 billion dollars in total economic impact, which for a state watching the erosion of its manufacturing base and suffering from a significant brain drain, should be cause to build Holbrook a statue at the statehouse.

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

LMAO!
 
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ORD_Buckeye;886383; said:
Then, why have we made considerable advances in every catagory and ranking under her tenure including undergraduate rankings and admissions selectivity. Last year, we had a 25% increase in overall applications and a 50% increase from students with 32+ ACT scores. We reached a point under Holbrook where we're turning down nearly one out of every two applicants (48% rejection rate for the '07 freshman class). Something good must be going on at the undergraduate level because the top high school students are flocking to Ohio State in record numbers, we've left Miami in the dust on admissions and our national reputation hasn't been this good since the 1950s. While Holbrook (along with Kirwan and Gee) all were building on the real hard work that Ed Jennings did in the 1980s of undoing the Jim Rhodes' madness, she has done an admirable job in continuing their progress. If you want to see what an honestly bad university president is look down to Athens and that clown McDavis who bounces from one scandal to another all the while dropping 12 spots in the last two USN&WR rankings and pulling in freshman classes that have more students from the bottom half of their high school class than from the top tenth.

As for the whole research angle. Ohio State is a research university. It always has been. It was founded by Rutherford B. Hayes and the state's post-Civil War political and business leadership to be the state's comprehensive flagship university. In 1906, the state legally mandated (through the Eagleson Bill) that only Ohio State among public universities could offer doctoral education or conduct basic research. The law stood until the 1950s. In 1916, Ohio State was elected into America's premier organization of public and private research universities--the AAU. In 1938, the Ohio State Research Foundation was created to bring in outside funding for faculty research projects. Holbrook did not suddenly turn Ohio State into a research university. If somebody doesn't want to attend a "research university" they shouldn't apply to Ohio State nor should they expect Ohio State to change its mission to accomodate them. Let's also not lose sight of the fact that the 650 million dollars in external research funding that Ohio State received in 2006 translates, using the federal government's standard multipliers, into 24,000 jobs and 9 billion dollars in total economic impact, which for a state watching the erosion of its manufacturing base and suffering from a significant brain drain, should be cause to build Holbrook a statue at the statehouse.

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ORD_Buckeye;887015; said:
And the meaning behind the smilies?

Based on his ID (MiamiRedHawks) I would guess that he just refuses to believe (or is just envious/jealous) that Ohio State has passed Miami as the premier academic university in Ohio.
 
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ScriptOhio;891189; said:
Based on his ID (MiamiRedHawks) I would guess that he just refuses to believe (or is just envious/jealous) that Ohio State has passed Miami as the premier academic university in Ohio.

There never was any need to "pass" them as the premier academic university in Ohio. We always were--Association of American Universities member since 1916. It's what we were founded to be. They just had a temporarty window in the 60s and 70s where Jim Rhodes forced us to have open admissions, and for that brief window it was harder to get into Miami than Ohio State. Rhodes is gone. His policies have long been reversed, and the natural, historic order has been restored.

As for admissions, from the looks of the 2007 freshman class data for each school, it looks as though as much as 20% of this year's crop of Fredo Freshman would have been thin-enveloped by the flagship university in Columbus.
 
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Well, the Holbrook haters have a friend in Athens.

Retirement bonus: $250K; swindling taxpayers: priceless

Heaven forbid she actually attempt to examine and discuss Holbrooks actual tenure as president. No, that would have taken up valuable space in her column that was put to better use with a Clark Griswold analogy.

Also, "Gee was following more than his heart - he was following the scent of crisp green paper."

Perhaps Ms. Nieporte should have taken the time to actually read the reporting on Dr. Gee's return in one of Ohio's real newspapers. Had she done so, she might have learned that he took a 400K payCUT to return to Ohio State and has agreed to cut the number of corporate boards on which he serves. If that's a money grab, it's the worst one in recorded history.

We are, however, presented with President McDavis of OU as a model of responsible university leadership, for he did not take a raise this year. Let me see, OU is bouncing from one scandal to another; it's in the red; its faculty gave their president a vote of no-confidence; they've dropped 12 spots in the last two USN&WR college rankings, and their freshman class has a higher percentage of kids from the bottom half of their high school class than from the top 10%. Yet, this clown is being held up to THE Ohio State University as a model--maybe a model of someone who's fit to scrub our urinals.
 
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